Arie Luyendyk Jr - Lauren Burnham - Bachelor 22 - Discussion #4
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Re: Arie Luyendyk Jr - Lauren Burnham - Bachelor 22 - Discussion #4
I am going to state that I know nothing of the Airbnb and haven't stated anything about that....stuckinsc wrote:Aunties_Love wrote:IMO, it's just rumors till there is proof. Right now there is no proof, just an idiotic vindictive neighbor that is trying to get attention IMO. Therefore, IMO, believing what that crackpot is saying is an extreme stretch.sosleepy wrote:I definitely don’t think you can completely invalidate this source. Not at all. It simply is an unsubstantiated rumor. But just like we can’t say it for sure happened, nor can we completely say it didn’t.
Personally, lots of things the neighbor talked about can be validated (the fact he lives there, the sombrero, the parking situation), so I tend to believe the spreadsheet could be factual as well. JMO.
[/u][/u]I don't think the neighbor is a crackpot, and you yourself scolded me during JPG's season about making comments about Claire's mental health as improper pronunciations of craziness can lead to horrible consequences. So while you may not like the neighbor and what he has revealed, I would ask you to show the same courtesy for this neighbor as you asked me to show to Claire. Crackpot is a degrading word linking to mental illness, as you reminded me back then it is best to not use words like this.
I understand you do not trust this neighbor, and that is your right, but it would be best to not comment on his mental health is a derogatory manner, as you so rightly pointed out to me with others in the past. IMO.Regarding the bolded, IMO, BKay was referencing how the neighbor is lying.....NOT Arie. IMO, it is so apparent that the neighbor is attention seeking, vindictive, and just a flat out crappy neighbor that I am glad that Arie/Lauren don't have to deal with his stupidity anymore. All IMO,stuckinsc wrote:
I also know Arie is a great liar and I have proof. He was telling Becca ILY the week before the breakup while simultaneously talking to Lauren and planning the breakup. So Arie is a proven liar. The neighbor actually admitted all his lame and pathetic behavior and even admitted that he let Arie’s ex treat him the way Arie treated her. While, I have no proof of him telling the truth, I saw him readily admit flaws. Arie lies and made excuses for his. So IMO, I chose to believe the neighbor.
***SNIPPED****
I appreciate that you and @BKay think the neighbor is lying, I did understand and stated that I believe that we have proof of Arie's lies and not of the neighbors. I happen to think Arie is lying and I am happy his neighbors don't have to deal with him once his house closing is done. IMO.With the bolded, maybe Arie thinks it is so ludicrous that it doesn't deserve the attention that the idiotic neighbor is desperately seeking. All IMO. Personally I am claiming that the neighbor is an idiotic vindictive neighbor that is living next door to a famous person so is attention seeking. Personally I am thankful that Arie isn't giving him what the redicilous neighbor wants and instead is keeping to their lives and enjoying the love that they obviously share. Great for them that they don't have to deal with that crappy neighbor anymore after they move to their new home....ALL IMOstuckinsc wrote:
JMO, people who are telling the truth don’t get caught lying either. Arie has shown himself to be a liar, so I am inclined to believe others over him. That is my personal opinion. I think Arie gets caught in his lies, because he lacks empathy for others, so his lies are all about what is easiest for him, IMO. Again IMO, he doesn’t care about others enough to cover his lack of truth.
In the case of the spreadsheet or any of the other things the neighbor said, Arie has never denied any of it. His supporters are the ones claiming the statements are untrue. Arie has not spoken on the subject at all. IMO, if you believe in the neighbor has more to do with your overall impressions ofArie. I find him to be selfish and self-centered, so the claims of the neighbor all seem reasonable to me. All JMO.
I have no idea what Arie thinks, I stated as fact that Arie has not commented, so belief in the neighbor or Arie is simply opinion on both of our parts. The "ridiculous neighbor" posted once on Reddit, answered questions and then did not post again, he was threatened based on his post, and deleted it. The continual posts were made by the neighbors current girlfriend. All her posts are still up on Reddit if you care to check them out. IMO, perhaps the current girlfriend is attention seeking, not the neighbor himself. He told his story once, one place and then deleted it. We have not seen it pop up on any gossip sites at all, which would support the neighbor seeking attention.
IMO, the neighbor was stuck living near a rude inconsiderate man who started this situation years ago, but attempting to place himself in the neighbors relationship. We have proof of the interaction with a neighbor year's ago from Arie's own tweet at the time. I think both Arie and the neighbor as described acted like idiots, neither comes out of this looking good. I respect that the neighbor has not attempted to name his and Arie's shared ex and has stayed off Reddit after being threatened. This is all my opinion.
The substatiated stories of Arie renting out his condo as an Airbnb, which we know are true from the Airbnb listing. I think the Airbnb listing also mentioned the lack of garage parking, which supports the idea that Arie may not have had space in his garage to park his truck. The accusation of parking in the lone handicap space which are partially supported by google earth images showing the complex indeed has one handicapped space and it is near Arie's condo. The fact Arie called out a neighbor on twitter years ago, shows me that at least part of the neighbors claims are true. If I lived near Arie these actions would irritate me, so I do sympathisize with the neighbor. I again I understand if you do not. I will continue to respectfully state my opinion and hope that you will do the same.
All is JMO.
BUT, wasn't it the neighbor who deleted his post the one who claimed Arie parked in front of it and not actually in the handicap spot?? What parts of the neighbors tall tale do you think is true....couldn't Arie of just had enough of a vindictive neighbor always in his business so finally stated as much? IMO, after living in apartment and condo complexes for many of my adult life, all it takes is one neighbor like the complainee to sour the whole block and any one else around. Maybe it is the neighbor himself that caused the problems. IMO, if in fact there was that degree of things.....why not take a pic of it all? Why not post that pic when you put your gripe out there on a *edit* talk board to provide the proof? Why are we to believe the neighbor's ex girlfriend in all of this? IMO, there are a ton of reasons to doubt the idiotic vindictive neighbor's story, IMO.
I just have an extremely hard time believing a person like that which only comes out of the woodwork AFTER the season that Arie had. Talk about someone that is full of sour grapes, attention seeking and just trying to cause grief to sour the general public of Arie. IMO, if the spreadsheets actually existed and IF that person actually saw them, why the hell not email them to herself and she can have them for future reference if she wasn't able to actually print them out herself at the time. That claim seems so full of Hogwash to me.
My whole post is IMO
ETA:
because both Stuck's post and mine were mashed together for whatever reason, I colored mine blue so there wouldn't be confusion.
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Re: Arie Luyendyk Jr - Lauren Burnham - Bachelor 22 - Discussion #4
Maybe we could cool it on the name calling directed at the neighbor. It's okay not to believe them but none of us know the whole truth.
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@Aunties_Love You have stated your opinion and I stated mine. We have been asked to not bait each other so I will respect your right to your opinion and will appreciate if you will respect mine. IMO.
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stuckinsc wrote:Aunties_Love wrote:IMO, it's just rumors till there is proof. Right now there is no proof, just an idiotic vindictive neighbor that is trying to get attention IMO. Therefore, IMO, believing what that crackpot is saying is an extreme stretch.sosleepy wrote:I definitely don’t think you can completely invalidate this source. Not at all. It simply is an unsubstantiated rumor. But just like we can’t say it for sure happened, nor can we completely say it didn’t.
Personally, lots of things the neighbor talked about can be validated (the fact he lives there, the sombrero, the parking situation), so I tend to believe the spreadsheet could be factual as well. JMO.
[/u][/u]I don't think the neighbor is a crackpot, and you yourself scolded me during JPG's season about making comments about Claire's mental health as improper pronunciations of craziness can lead to horrible consequences. So while you may not like the neighbor and what he has revealed, I would ask you to show the same courtesy for this neighbor as you asked me to show to Claire. Crackpot is a degrading word linking to mental illness, as you reminded me back then it is best to not use words like this.
I understand you do not trust this neighbor, and that is your right, but it would be best to not comment on his mental health is a derogatory manner, as you so rightly pointed out to me with others in the past. IMO.Regarding the bolded, IMO, BKay was referencing how the neighbor is lying.....NOT Arie. IMO, it is so apparent that the neighbor is attention seeking, vindictive, and just a flat out crappy neighbor that I am glad that Arie/Lauren don't have to deal with his stupidity anymore. All IMO,stuckinsc wrote:
I also know Arie is a great liar and I have proof. He was telling Becca ILY the week before the breakup while simultaneously talking to Lauren and planning the breakup. So Arie is a proven liar. The neighbor actually admitted all his lame and pathetic behavior and even admitted that he let Arie’s ex treat him the way Arie treated her. While, I have no proof of him telling the truth, I saw him readily admit flaws. Arie lies and made excuses for his. So IMO, I chose to believe the neighbor.
***SNIPPED****
I appreciate that you and @BKay think the neighbor is lying, I did understand and stated that I believe that we have proof of Arie's lies and not of the neighbors. I happen to think Arie is lying and I am happy his neighbors don't have to deal with him once his house closing is done. IMO.With the bolded, maybe Arie thinks it is so ludicrous that it doesn't deserve the attention that the idiotic neighbor is desperately seeking. All IMO. Personally I am claiming that the neighbor is an idiotic vindictive neighbor that is living next door to a famous person so is attention seeking. Personally I am thankful that Arie isn't giving him what the redicilous neighbor wants and instead is keeping to their lives and enjoying the love that they obviously share. Great for them that they don't have to deal with that crappy neighbor anymore after they move to their new home....ALL IMOstuckinsc wrote:
JMO, people who are telling the truth don’t get caught lying either. Arie has shown himself to be a liar, so I am inclined to believe others over him. That is my personal opinion. I think Arie gets caught in his lies, because he lacks empathy for others, so his lies are all about what is easiest for him, IMO. Again IMO, he doesn’t care about others enough to cover his lack of truth.
In the case of the spreadsheet or any of the other things the neighbor said, Arie has never denied any of it. His supporters are the ones claiming the statements are untrue. Arie has not spoken on the subject at all. IMO, if you believe in the neighbor has more to do with your overall impressions ofArie. I find him to be selfish and self-centered, so the claims of the neighbor all seem reasonable to me. All JMO.
I have no idea what Arie thinks, I stated as fact that Arie has not commented, so belief in the neighbor or Arie is simply opinion on both of our parts. The "ridiculous neighbor" posted once on Reddit, answered questions and then did not post again, he was threatened based on his post, and deleted it. The continual posts were made by the neighbors current girlfriend. All her posts are still up on Reddit if you care to check them out. IMO, perhaps the current girlfriend is attention seeking, not the neighbor himself. He told his story once, one place and then deleted it. We have not seen it pop up on any gossip sites at all, which would support the neighbor seeking attention.
IMO, the neighbor was stuck living near a rude inconsiderate man who started this situation years ago, but attempting to place himself in the neighbors relationship. We have proof of the interaction with a neighbor year's ago from Arie's own tweet at the time. I think both Arie and the neighbor as described acted like idiots, neither comes out of this looking good. I respect that the neighbor has not attempted to name his and Arie's shared ex and has stayed off Reddit after being threatened. This is all my opinion.
The substatiated stories of Arie renting out his condo as an Airbnb, which we know are true from the Airbnb listing. I think the Airbnb listing also mentioned the lack of garage parking, which supports the idea that Arie may not have had space in his garage to park his truck. The accusation of parking in the lone handicap space which are partially supported by google earth images showing the complex indeed has one handicapped space and it is near Arie's condo. The fact Arie called out a neighbor on twitter years ago, shows me that at least part of the neighbors claims are true. If I lived near Arie these actions would irritate me, so I do sympathisize with the neighbor. I again I understand if you do not. I will continue to respectfully state my opinion and hope that you will do the same.
All is JMO.
I agree with you @stuckinsc
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I'm just catching up and caught the article where they had purchased a home. So, Dallas gets his on room according to Lauren, that made me Poor Bastian, I have a feeling he just wants to sleep with Dad! I hope he's adjusting easily to his new guests (in his mind). I've loved Bastian since Arie's first go round. A real sweetheart..
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@mprssdbyu Dogs are so much easier than humans. JMOAA
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I'll clear this up for you. The preceding discussion was about the reliability of a source of information and if said information could be verified. Hope that helps.stuckinsc wrote:~snippedXQZME wrote:FLChica wrote:IMO I think we all choose to validate a source when we want to embrace their "truth". A perfect example is the decades-long myth proven as fact each year by NORAD (North American Aerospace Defense Command).
The myth NORAD perpetuates each year is documented by radar tracking, photos and real-time video. Millions of people view this evidence each year!
What does NORAD prove? The existence of Santa Claus and his yearly trip around the world in one night. Ho ho ho!
Hey now...don’t be dragging on my NORAD Santa tracker
Even at my age I get excited for Xmas eve and tracking “Santa”. My adult kids do too and can’t wait to have babies so they can experience the same excitement they had growing up with NORAD.
My hubby spent five months at NORAD, about ten years ago, and got a behind the scenes look at the amount of work that goes in to giving people one day of excitement. It is a year around job!
Wow, comparing NORAD and Santa to Arie. I am at a lost. To quote Becca, apples and starfish. JMSO.
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GuardianAngel wrote:@blueblues thanks. No wonder I couldn't find it, it was too old. I thought it was recent. That means there weren't any nasty tweets directed to the neighbour recently in response to the posts on reddit.
Right. Arie has moved on. Apparently, the neighbor has not. I would never go to a website and publicly trash my neighbor, no matter what they have done to me. It really shows the immaturity of the neighbor and I have a hard time believing their "story." Jmho.
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@Mommyof2 I would imagine especially if you did not want a libel or defamation of character suit.
JMO this is one reason why it is so important to preface our POV with an IMO and even then that is no assurance.
Note the above the bolded: theoretically.
Personally, I found this source to be very interesting. Something to think about surely.
As the article concludes:
JMO this is one reason why it is so important to preface our POV with an IMO and even then that is no assurance.
sourceStatements of opinion are not statements of fact, and so theoretically are protected from libel suits.
Note the above the bolded: theoretically.
Sometimes statements of opinion really are viewed as statements of fact, depending on the circumstances. In this case, the average person may very well look at your statement as a statement of fact. The bottom line: Just because you phrase something as a statement of opinion -- "I think" or "I believe" -- does not automatically protect you from a defamation claim.
Personally, I found this source to be very interesting. Something to think about surely.
As the article concludes:
it is a good idea to exercise the utmost caution and avoid making any "gray area" statements that could be construed as defamation.
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Lurker of this thread and this is JMO:
We have no idea if the spreadsheet is true or not there has been no actual fact or proof that there is one. JMO
Glad that Lauren and Arie bought a house so hopefully this will bring a end to the neighbors frustrations and Arie's.JMO
Lauren and Arie seem to be very happy together hopefully they will make it if not just another Bach couple who didn't .
I have no idea if what Arie says is a lie or truth JMO
Think Lauren is a sweet woman with a quirky sense of humor and gorgeous JMO
I THANK the MODS for this Wonderful forum that allow us to state our opinions. They work very hard and deserve the respect when they post to stop this and that. Find it very disrespectful when others do not follow the rules. JMO
Love the house they bought and glad they showed a glimpse of it JMO
Think the dogs are going to love it glad they have a yard and plenty of place to hang out seem like they really like each other. JMO
Never been on a different forum but the old ABC and love coming here due to the MODS. JMO
End of my rant !
We have no idea if the spreadsheet is true or not there has been no actual fact or proof that there is one. JMO
Glad that Lauren and Arie bought a house so hopefully this will bring a end to the neighbors frustrations and Arie's.JMO
Lauren and Arie seem to be very happy together hopefully they will make it if not just another Bach couple who didn't .
I have no idea if what Arie says is a lie or truth JMO
Think Lauren is a sweet woman with a quirky sense of humor and gorgeous JMO
I THANK the MODS for this Wonderful forum that allow us to state our opinions. They work very hard and deserve the respect when they post to stop this and that. Find it very disrespectful when others do not follow the rules. JMO
Love the house they bought and glad they showed a glimpse of it JMO
Think the dogs are going to love it glad they have a yard and plenty of place to hang out seem like they really like each other. JMO
Never been on a different forum but the old ABC and love coming here due to the MODS. JMO
End of my rant !
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