Bachelorette 14 - Becca Kufrin - F1-F4 - Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers*

just me wrote:

Diana wrote:My gut says everything the TPTB have given Blake (aftr horse, special entrance night one, Betty who concert ) make me think he’s being set up for the next bachelor and won’t be f1. That is JMO

My gut says Garrett will be f1 again JMO

I agree with you. From all we have seen in the spoilers I think they are totally smitten with each other. More than just boyfriend and girlfriend. The Bachelorettes seem to have the best record of lasting relationships.  Most of the Bachelors have not been ready for a real commitment. The show opens doors to them for so many beautiful women. We have seen how previous Bachelors go to one after another of these women on their road to fame.  I believe Becca is looking for a committed man not a boyfriend. Arie proved which he was and she had her fill of that. I believe Jason might also be ready for this commitment. Soon we should know. Blake reminds me of a really good fun loving guy but not ready for settling down.

Does anyone know how many of the Bachelorettes compared with the Bachelors have remained with their choices at least two years?.

just me wrote:

just me wrote:

Diana wrote:My gut says everything the TPTB have given Blake (aftr horse, special entrance night one, Betty who concert ) make me think he’s being set up for the next bachelor and won’t be f1. That is JMO

My gut says Garrett will be f1 again JMO

I agree with you. From all we have seen in the spoilers I think they are totally smitten with each other. More than just boyfriend and girlfriend. The Bachelorettes seem to have the best record of lasting relationships.  Most of the Bachelors have not been ready for a real commitment. The show opens doors to them for so many beautiful women. We have seen how previous Bachelors go to one after another of these women on their road to fame.  I believe Becca is looking for a committed man not a boyfriend. Arie proved which he was and she had her fill of that. I believe Jason might also be ready for this commitment. Soon we should know. Blake reminds me of a really good fun loving guy but not ready for settling down.

Does anyone know how many of  the Bachelorettes compared with the Bachelors  have remained with their choices at least two years?.

Kaitlyn and Shawn, 3 years
Jojo and Jordan , 2 years
Rachel and Bryan, 1 year
(Trista, Ashley and Des are married)
Bachelor: 0 (Sean and Cat are married, I dont know the old Bachelors )

The only bachelors I can think of that stayed with their F1 for 2 years were Byron and Charlie.

Byron chose Mary Delgado as his F1. The season aired from September to November 2004. They split up after 5 years. Both are now married to others.

Charlie chose Sarah Bryce and did not propose but they began a relationship. Season aired March to May of 2005. They broke up in September 2007. The got back together in 2008 but broke up for the final time in 2010. She is married to someone else.

As for early bachelorettes (beginning dates are the viewing dates of the FRC):

Meredith and Ian were together from February 2004 to February 2005.
Jen never had a relationship with her F1.
DeAnna was with Jesse from July 2008 to November 2008.
Jillian and Ed were together from July 2009 to July 2010.
Ali and Roberto were together from August 2010 to November 2011.

i am willing to ask @GuardianAngel/the Mods/awesome sleuthers around here regarding RS F1 Spoiler vs the Board Sleuthing

JFYI FWIW have observed RS spoiler for years regarding Ettes, and i found that he sucks in his F1 spoiler when :
- there was a close 2 men race. e.g., Rachel
- there were curve balls on the way till the end. e.g. : Brooks and Frank removed themselves on Des and Ali's season.

Since  i skipped Rachel season, i managed to look back at RS spoiler:
- on May 17th he posted the Peter F1 spoiler
- on June 5th he revised it to Bryan as the F1
>My thought process: Rachel herself has said in an interview that she was fixated on Peter until Geneva (epi 7). So,my guess is its highly likely that RS got informed that Peter was the one she wants early in the season and just went with the initial spoiler, before re-checking his sources.

I also tried to look at the Rachel's season archives in this board and found there were a bunch of clues in NO discussion thread that posted by GA around middle of July. I get an impression that @GuardianAngel posted those clues not in real time when those being sleuthed, since it appeared to me that it was a compilation probably sometime later after clues being found. Please CMIIW .

Therefore, i really need to raise some points:
1. i am super curious whether during that period of time (May 17-June 5) the board had found something earth shattering to prove Peter was not the F1 and/or Brian was indeed the F1? . If yes, may i know what was that spesifically?

2.  Is there any possibility that RS's revision to Bryan F1 on early June was merely relying on what has been sleuthed by the board?

Any insight from anyone is greatly appreciated. IA.

^ just off the top of my head:
After his initial spoiler, RS got info from Peter’s ex Brittany that he was with her in a weekend that’s supposed to be SHV, so he went back to his original source and then realized the spoiler was wrong. Did he rely on this board? Possibly.

IMO, sm did play a huge role in sleuthing. Bryan was completely silent during their first SHV, Memorial Day weekend. Peter was almost at home in every single weekend. That, plus the watch gate, sealed the deal for me earlier, around July 4th.

Also, I listen to almost every single one of her interviews, and I don’t remember Rachel ever saying she was fixated on Peter until Geneva. Which one is that? She said they had a good first date, but fixated on him? I don’t remember at all.

I am going to be a bit nebulous on purpose. Sorry, not sorry.
1) RS lurks on this forum. It's a known fact throughout the years. 
2) RS never gives credit to anything he takes from here or anywhere else. If he says it, it's his. He owns it according to him. 
3) There was a poster during Rachel's season that for whatever reason was convinced Rachel chose Peter during this same time frame.(prior to the season airing, yet after filming) 
This poster was convinced based on info she received that Peter was the F1. 
The info was either false or the poster misconstrued the info. 
5) I believe RS based some of his own false initial diarrhea of mouth on # 4 above. 
6) Sleuthers here were able to find multiple upon multiple things including SHV indicating that Bryan was the F1.  I will not delineate them. They are archived for great reading if interested.
7)IMO, sleuthers take each piece of information as a piece of the puzzle.  RS giving a prediction or ultimatum is no more or less than any other piece of data. For some of us it weighs more. For some it's not worth more than a magic 8 ball prediction.  It's putting the pieces together and getting a full picture that adds up. 
JMO
Add to that @SDmom 's post

@sdmom thanks a lot for the valuable info.

so..the SHV was definitely a huge thing on Rachel season then. I concur that the SHV place/location also was successfully being sleuthed by you guys. So awesome!.

re: Rachel interview:


Peter until Geneva =  my interpretation from 0:32 plus 3:30 mark....but that just IMHO.

ETA.
@Kashathediva

Putting RS aside, there were sleuthers who didn't see any chemistry with Peter but they did with Bryan. Regardless of what the spoilers were and who the favourite was, sleuthers continued to do what they do best. Year's of experience plus newbie sleuthers led them to sleuthing the correct F1.

Here is a recap of WatchGate HatGate PillowGate not to mention the SHV clues that were sleuthed, plus poster @socalfan found the exact safe house which sleuthers had already matched up IG pics posted by Rachel and Bryan separately.

https://www.bachandbachettefans.net/t4314-rachel-lindsay-bryan-abasolo-watch-gate-pillow-gate-shvpool-gate-ankle-gate-belt-gate-no-discussion

Well before RS changed his mind, sleuthers were already convinced who the F1 was. Sleuthing continued after he switched his spoiler, and we racked up more proof which was undeniable to many.

@GuardianAngel

thanks GA!..so awesome!..you guys have found so many earth shattering clues . I really hope it continues on Becca's season as well.

Does the F3 guy get to call his family while he is secluded during the finale filming? I know the social media thing they are sticklers about, but would be kind of awful if you literally couldn't do ANYTHING while waiting to go home.

I do remember Nick's plane phone call though ... but he was F2 and let go before filming FRC.

1funnyfish wrote:Does the F3 guy get to call his family while he is secluded during the finale filming? I know the social media thing they are sticklers about, but would be kind of awful if you literally couldn't do ANYTHING while waiting to go home.

I do remember Nick's plane phone call though ... but he was F2 and let go before filming FRC.

i didn't read his book, but happen to remember someone mentioned about it..Didn't Sean get to call his fam when being secluded? . Also, i could be wrong, but i believe Nick went home after the FRC with the rest of filming crew. He got his phone after parted ways with his handler, heading to WI. IIRC

Garrett's brother liked a picture of Becca posted just a few hours ago.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BimMJukFibf/?taken-by=bachelorette_becca
His account is private, and I don't follow him. But you can check who liked the pictures by search his username - jay11sticks
If they called their family about the result, I would say the chance of Garrett being F1 is high