Arie Luyendyk Jr - Lauren Burnham - Bachelor 22 - Discussion

Amberish wrote:

grace8136 wrote:

Amberish wrote:The first time they were "together", they dated for what ... two weeks? Then they became friends, during which Courtney was in at least one serious relationship in California. Her RE license is still hanging in California, meaning, at this point, she's only temporarily in Arizona.

Nonetheless, although she indicated she thought of exploring something more with Arie in Arizona that lasted for what, two weeks again, then she says definitely friend zone.

It takes two, time and commitment to be in a serious relationship.

From everything we know, Arie wants to be in love. Well, I think Courtney does, too, but she isn't, is she? Wanting to test the waters and see if it goes there isn't being there and now that Arie is happily engaged and planning a wedding stops the possibility short --- and this is the actual reality of the situation as opposed to just my opinion.

Whether or not she seemed in love with him is completely subjective.

Let's look at the facts.

Courtney hasn't said she was or is in love with Arie. To clarify neither has Arie. She dates others, mostly seriously. He's now engaged.

I stand by my previous statement that there isn't any evidence, whatsoever, that Courtney is in love with Arie. Further, To suggest she isn't is absolutely objective.

Did you actually listen to her podcast with RS? She’s clearly hung up on him, or at least was up until he left her high and dry to go film a dating show. Up until then, he insinuated and she thought they might get together for real. It sounds like he strung her along repeatedly and she kept giving him chances as well. She was also treated poorly by him, IMO. And it’s just another instance of a girl who’s feelings he was reckless with. 

No, she never says straight up she was in love with him. But it’s certainly implied through her words and her intonation in that podcast that there was a lot of history, feelings, desire, and hope on her side that they’d eventually be a real couple. I’d wager she was in love, or at the very least felt she could easily be in love with him.

@sosleepy it's all in personal perspective ... if one can believe Arie or Lauren enough to hope they can make it ... then can believe it too. Don't get me wrong, I've seen "something" between Arie and Lauren and I do believe among all the "possibilities" she is the only right choice for Arie (for the current state of mind, IMO), I liked him more when he's with her ... but I don't believe in Arie and that's enough for me to not have any hopes for this couple. But if things change in the future, I'll gladly congratulate them.

Did anyone see the article, where Lauren's Mom gave a quote to L&S?

http://www.lifeandstylemag.com/posts/arie-luyendyk-jr-lauren-burnham-wedding-155990

Apparently, they want to get married in August. I sincerely want to apologize to any other couple I've ever mocked, as the stupidity with these two is incomparable IMO.

Aria wrote:Did anyone see the article, where Lauren's Mom gave a quote to L&S?

http://www.lifeandstylemag.com/posts/arie-luyendyk-jr-lauren-burnham-wedding-155990

Apparently, they want to get married in August. I sincerely want to apologize to any other couple I've ever mocked, as the stupidity with these two is incomparable IMO.

Right?! They make me regret ragging on every other couple I’ve ever disrespected.

Sweet young love ... can conquer all ... or they wish ... I guess I don't care enough and won't feel sorry for anyone however it goes, but little can surprise me (not if they can make it work, but rather how "balanced" the relationship will ever be).

Lmao so ridiculous. Lauren is dim imo and Arie is just your regular run of the mill effboi  That’s imo judging from all the dumb things they’re saying and doing and admitting to.

Arie left to do the show in Sept 2017. That was 6 months ago. 
Since then (6 months), Courtney admits having spent time with Ben F. 
That little correspondence, IMO,  no more indicated that she is in love with Ben F. All it means, to me, is there might have been some happy walking down memory lane and loneliness, which fast forwarded quickly with a huge splash of cold water, and why they never worked out to begin with. 
I would think since her meet up with Ben F. during the holidays (3 months after Arie left for TB), Courtney has continued to date. I hope so for her.

IMO Courtney has self-esteem/image compexes that what she's saying about Arie says little about Arie and more about her own issues.

I just don't think that dating and sleeping with other people means that you're not in love or, at the very least, hoping for a relationship with another person. I think many, many, many people would argue that Ashley was still in love with Jared even though she hasn't dated him for years and has been constantly dating herself. Or that Chris still has strong feelings for Becca, despite both dating other people for a long time. At the end of the day, from what she told us, she a) thought that they would finally become a couple in 2016, until she saw him with Sydney, b) she thought they would finally become a couple in late 2017, because they were both single, c) he told her that she had given him so many chances and when he went there with her, he wanted it to be real, d) she started crying when she realized he would do the Bachelor and they couldn't be together and e) she wasn't even going to watch the show because she thought it might be too hard. IMO, the girl clearly had feelings for him. Is she 100% over him now, after holding a torch for the last 5 years? It's possible, but I would guess no. ALL, IMO.

sosleepy wrote:

Aria wrote:Did anyone see the article, where Lauren's Mom gave a quote to L&S?

http://www.lifeandstylemag.com/posts/arie-luyendyk-jr-lauren-burnham-wedding-155990

Apparently, they want to get married in August. I sincerely want to apologize to any other couple I've ever mocked, as the stupidity with these two is incomparable IMO.

Right?! They make me regret ragging on every other couple I’ve ever disrespected.

August?!?!?! Mike Fleiss is probably seething. Instead of an engagement do-over on the ATFR, he could've had a wedding ceremony! Ahhh, maybe next time! (IMO)

I'm not a fan of either personally (not my people), but wouldn't be surprised if they do get married. They are both desperately seeking something -- to the exclusion of rational thought -- just not sure what that something is. And you know what? That's okay.

If Lauren wants a wedding band ASAP and Arie has babies on the brain (and to prove doubters wrong), why not? Let 'em do it. Lovers of the couple will love the romance of it all while doubters will be amused for different reasons. It is a win, win for everyone!

All the above is IMO.

sosleepy wrote:So my big Q ... for the people that believe in them and like them... why? Like seriously, why? I’m just at a loss and wouldn’t mind reading someone’s perspective. I just don’t see it.

Can’t speaks for others but for me personally: generally I love to see two people in love/lust/infatuation, whatever, and will root for them to last. Will they? No one knows but I am enjoying the moment.
So I hope it’s true love for Arie and Lauren (and the same goes to the next lead). IMO, it’s easier to root for a couple than against them, because my little brain can’t handle all the discussions!

All Jmho from my little pea sized brain.

Aria wrote:I just don't think that dating and sleeping with other people means that you're not in love or, at the very least, hoping for a relationship with another person. I think many, many, many people would argue that Ashley was still in love with Jared even though she hasn't dated him for years and has been constantly dating herself. Or that Chris still has strong feelings for Becca, despite both dating other people for a long time. At the end of the day, from what she told us, she a) thought that they would finally become a couple in 2016, until she saw him with Sydney, b) she thought they would finally become a couple in late 2017, because they were both single, c) he told her that she had given him so many chances and when he went there with her, he wanted it to be real, d) she started crying when she realized he would do the Bachelor and they couldn't be together and e) she wasn't even going to watch the show because she thought it might be too hard. IMO, the girl clearly had feelings for him. Is she 100% over him now, after holding a torch for the last 5 years? It's possible, but I would guess no. ALL, IMO.

She has a form of unrequited love/affection for Arie. Her advantage will be , when problems arise with Lauren, and it will as imperfect humans, Courtney may just be Arie’s go to person. If by chance Lauren is emotionally needy and always does need assurance, then Courtney can reenlighten Arie this was one of his original fears regarding Lauren so he either deals or peels. Should be interesting imo.