Bachelor 22 - Arie Luyendyk Jr - Episodes - Mar 5th FRC ATFR - #2 - *Sleuthing Spoilers*

Jolena wrote:Does anyone know if Becca is def the new Ette?

umngirl wrote:At the rate she’s going Becca might have more Instagram followers than Arie in about two days.

If this gets a thousand retweets I’ll author a bill banning Arie from Minnesota. #TheBachelor #PriorLakeLakers

— Rep. Drew Christensen (@RepChristensen) March 6, 2018

Mommyof2 wrote:

Kashathediva wrote:

docnash14 wrote:I don't think he is blameless.  I think he royally screwed up in several ways.  He should never had told either woman he was in love with her, should never have proposed to Becca given how conflicted he was (although I still maintain his contract likely compelled him to do so) and when Becca told him to leave, he should have.  However, regarding the latter, I don't believe he stayed because he is  jerk or because he was trying to make it harder on her.  I think he stayed because he felt badly about what he had done and he didn't want to leave her when she was that upset.  Don't agree with his decision but I do believe that was his reasoning.  So while he did not respect her boundaries, to be fair, he did respect them by not touching her after she told him not to.

I think it's unconscionable that the scene was filmed. Don't understand why Becca didn't question when the camera people were there and, like Kasha, I would have demanded that they leave or have left myself if I were Becca.  That said, my guess is that once Arie told the producers he had a change of heart he was given a choice to either tell Becca live before the studio audience at the ATFR (he just about said as much to Becca) or have it filmed sooner at the safe house.  I think he chose the latter as he thought it would be not as embarrassing for Becca and because this timetable suited his own needs better.  He admitted to being concerned that the longer he stayed with Becca the likelihood of reconciling with Lauren would diminish (Arie wins no sensitivity contest with that comment).  And if the producers were true to form, as they did with Jason, were likely exacerbating Arie's concern by telling him that Lauren was in the running to be the next Bachelorette.  So, yes, I think Arie was being selfish by considering his own needs.  Sounds like I am making an excuse for him but aren't we all supposed to be responsible for getting our needs met.

I don't agree with those who saw him emotion-less.  Jason Mesnick or even Ben H. he's not.  By his own admission, he is not a crier.  But in his break-up with Lauren, he looked like he was about to be sick and he did, in fact, cry.  Throughout the season we were witness to how Arie somaticized his feelings rather than felt them.  In the break up scene with Becca, his flushed face, neck and even hands bore witness (IMO) to the genuineness of his feelings.  Do I think Arie needs therapy?  Yes, I do.  Do I think he is a terrible person?  No.

IMO another great post

I will second this.

Aria wrote:

mslat92 wrote:Even if Becca didn't see all these "red flags" doesn't make Arie any less of a douchebag.

Yeah, lots of victim-blaming going on. This would be like yelling at Jade for marrying an emotionally abusive man. Yeah, Becca was an idiot and should have known that Arie is a cheater and will always be a cheater. But, she was in love and she was engaged and so she chose to believe him that he was working on his issues and trying to be a better partner for her so they could move forward.

It feels like people are so desperate to defend Arie that they can't see that it's possible for Becca to be blinded by love and ignore obvious warning signs AND it's possible for Arie to be the biggest azzhole that's ever been in the franchise. Not mutually exclusive.

Linds911 wrote:

Jolena wrote:Does anyone know if Becca is def the new Ette?

won't know for sure until tomorrow/today's episode but all signs point to her imo.

alwaystulips wrote:

Mommyof2 wrote:

Kashathediva wrote:

IMO another great post

I will second this.

As will I. Thank you for your presoective,  @docnash14

alwaystulips wrote:

Mommyof2 wrote:

Kashathediva wrote:

IMO another great post

I will second this.

As will I. Thank you for your perspective,  @docnash14

Sprite wrote:

Aria wrote:

mslat92 wrote:Even if Becca didn't see all these "red flags" doesn't make Arie any less of a douchebag.

Yeah, lots of victim-blaming going on. This would be like yelling at Jade for marrying an emotionally abusive man. Yeah, Becca was an idiot and should have known that Arie is a cheater and will always be a cheater. But, she was in love and she was engaged and so she chose to believe him that he was working on his issues and trying to be a better partner for her so they could move forward.

It feels like people are so desperate to defend Arie that they can't see that it's possible for Becca to be blinded by love and ignore obvious warning signs AND it's possible for Arie to be the biggest azzhole that's ever been in the franchise. Not mutually exclusive.

And the fact that he has had lots of practice in the art of telling the truth...but not the whole truth....to string the women along until he has someone else lined up. I wonder how they will defend him when he dumps Lauren? Oh, I so do want to see that filmed.

You’re heart can’t control how it feels or when it feels but your mind can control what you do with how you feel and how you make others feel...ya feel? #thebachelor @BachelorABC

— Kendall Long (@KendallPatrice) March 6, 2018

The show was over 30 mins ago and Catherine is still in the red zone. She’s talking so fast I’m not sure she’s getting air. She’s very angry. She’s telling me all the things she would have done to me in if she were Becca. I’m scared.

— Sean Lowe (@SeanLowe09) March 6, 2018