Bachelor Canada - Season 3 - Chris Leroux - Episode Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers* - #2

4health wrote:

@HEA I like reading your thoughts also.  LIke I posted, I understand your thoughts and just see things slightly different that's all.  My thought as to why I think her 1:1 was late in the season, that SQT time from the rapping (obvious winner) was no this choice...it was a competition.  He didn't really have his own personal say as to whom he had that time with IMO.  I just never thought that SQT was off the charts, all I saw was Mikaela chasing him, she was the one suggesting to kiss after every hole in, and Chris' even asked her "Oh we are doing that?" he wasn't the one suggesting it. IMO   So, the official 1:1 date was late, IMO I think he could have chosen her for any of the other earlier dates but he didn't.  I ask myself WHY?

HEA wrote:

4health wrote:So I have to say I see @HEA passionate examples of showing the Mikaela and Chris love story.    I have to say I don't see exactly like her but I can understand and have thought many times that Mikaela is the F1....my reasons are as follows:
#1 - RS Spoiler (do I believe or not)
#2 - She has been shown with Chris on every episode
#3 - Chris' emotional struggle with his mom matches Mikaela and it was set-up from Episode 1 during his introduction he says he has always struggled with opening up

My top three reasons Mikaela isn't the F1
#1 - She was always the one asking to chat with Chris'.  She was chasing him
#2 - Her first 1:1 was late in the season
#3 - She was the first to say "I love you" and that is usually the kiss of death

If I didn't have RS spoilers in the back of my mind I wouldn't even have a doubt about Lyndsey being the F1.   This season has reminded me so much of Jasmine's & Kevin editing and story....their issues were jealousy, communication, her family and distance also.  They highly edited them also and even were upset with the production team and cancelled all media after the show because of it IMO.

I always like your insights, no matter if they are different than mine

I understand why you believe that the 1-1 was late but for me the quality time was the same duration as a 1-1 and had also both a daylight portion and a night portion, just like a 1-1.

she did not say i love you but I am falling in love with you. she said  i love you only when the kiss goodbye at her parents. and yes she was aggressive to ask him to speak to him but with 20 girls, we know that shy girls never go far. also the edits showed her kissing  with catie and lindsey lurking them as if they witnessed their love story. I also remember that generally the F1 is zoomed endless time during first episode and this is why I picked her top 2 from day 1. Remember that I was no spoiled until episode 6. However, I was switching between catie and lindsey for top 2... happened they were all 3 top 3.

BUT... I totally see the signs that it breaks his heart to not pick Lindsey. I do not think his love story with mikaela should be diminished because he loved lindsey and could not handle all the bumps and picked the easy way. There is no easy way to pick someone and potentially propose. easy relationship with mikaela, heck yes. but not a second choice because he needed to pick someone.  he could have refused.... and maybe this is what we will see although I doubt it. I think we do compare orange versus lemon. 2 different girls as his mom said, bringing different things on the table.... but at the end of the day, he picked mikaela (IF he did) because he believed she was the one he would have a life together and not a maybe life together. I think his internal fears to move there, not be accepted by her family, alone, away from his own family, with the potential rejection few years later by Lindsey was too much. He made the conscious decision that a long distance relationship was also not an option. so for me it is a different situation than jasmine/keven and she did not move to Toronto. SM pushed jasmine to hide and not confront mikhel fans. Keven is probably a good guy but he could not hold against mikhel. I feel like lindsey is the mikhel of the season. no matter what, mikaela will never be good enough for lindsey's fans.

jmo

Pinkgirl wrote:Jmo but I really can't see mikeala refusing the engagement if she is that sure on there relationship. I could see Chris not proposing needs time to see what's missing in there love connection.

HEA wrote:

Pinkgirl wrote:Jmo but I really can't see mikeala refusing the engagement if she is that sure on there relationship. I could see Chris not proposing needs time to see what's missing in there love connection.

she was not sure... that was the whole point of the pirate talk and the evening talk.......... and that was also the whole point to see the segment in the middle of the date with lindsey (never seen this kind of edit before)

and he said multiple times that she is perfect and the issue is HIS, not her

jmo

HEA wrote:

4health wrote:

@HEA I like reading your thoughts also.  LIke I posted, I understand your thoughts and just see things slightly different that's all.  My thought as to why I think her 1:1 was late in the season, that SQT time from the rapping (obvious winner) was no this choice...it was a competition.  He didn't really have his own personal say as to whom he had that time with IMO.  I just never thought that SQT was off the charts, all I saw was Mikaela chasing him, she was the one suggesting to kiss after every hole in, and Chris' even asked her "Oh we are doing that?" he wasn't the one suggesting it. IMO   So, the official 1:1 date was late, IMO I think he could have chosen her for any of the other earlier dates but he didn't.  I ask myself WHY?

agree. it was a competition. but we know that it is easy to cheat. for me he would have found any excuse to pick her. she was his top 2 already. and he did say on PI that he made every excuse to kiss her "that's for sure". Do you think regular viewer will make a difference between an official 1-1 and an extensive time similar a la 1-1? I think also that each season we discuss the same issue that prods are the one to decide... and i recall him saying that he waited a long time for the 1-1 with mikaela so this reinforced me that it was not his choice.

4health wrote:

HEA wrote:

4health wrote:

@HEA I like reading your thoughts also.  LIke I posted, I understand your thoughts and just see things slightly different that's all.  My thought as to why I think her 1:1 was late in the season, that SQT time from the rapping (obvious winner) was no this choice...it was a competition.  He didn't really have his own personal say as to whom he had that time with IMO.  I just never thought that SQT was off the charts, all I saw was Mikaela chasing him, she was the one suggesting to kiss after every hole in, and Chris' even asked her "Oh we are doing that?" he wasn't the one suggesting it. IMO   So, the official 1:1 date was late, IMO I think he could have chosen her for any of the other earlier dates but he didn't.  I ask myself WHY?

agree. it was a competition. but we know that it is easy to cheat. for me he would have found any excuse to pick her. she was his top 2 already. and he did say on PI that he made every excuse to kiss her "that's for sure". Do you think regular viewer will make a difference between an official 1-1 and an extensive time similar a la 1-1? I think also that each season we discuss the same issue that prods are the one to decide... and i recall him saying that he waited a long time for the 1-1 with mikaela so this reinforced me that it was not his choice.

@HEA we just see some things differently...but that is what makes this forum so much fun.  The bolded part of your post is what I just see differently.  Which is okay.  I just rewatched it to see if I could possibly agree with you.   I again just see if different even when watching it as Mikaela being the F1.  It shows Chris' talking with Dee and Lyndsey and they were the only ones he asks "is there even a chance you guys could win?" "You have something special planned BOOMBA" so I could say I think Chris' was hoping for that team to win.  But it wasn't just up to him! IMO

Pinkgirl wrote:Oh ok thanks was not sure

Sprite wrote:

4health wrote:

HEA wrote:

agree. it was a competition. but we know that it is easy to cheat. for me he would have found any excuse to pick her. she was his top 2 already. and he did say on PI that he made every excuse to kiss her "that's for sure". Do you think regular viewer will make a difference between an official 1-1 and an extensive time similar a la 1-1? I think also that each season we discuss the same issue that prods are the one to decide... and i recall him saying that he waited a long time for the 1-1 with mikaela so this reinforced me that it was not his choice.

@HEA we just see some things differently...but that is what makes this forum so much fun.  The bolded part of your post is what I just see differently.  Which is okay.  I just rewatched it to see if I could possibly agree with you.   I again just see if different even when watching it as Mikaela being the F1.  It shows Chris' talking with Dee and Lyndsey and they were the only ones he asks "is there even a chance you guys could win?" "You have something special planned BOOMBA" so I could say I think Chris' was hoping for that team to win.  But it wasn't just up to him! IMO

@4health This is how I saw that date as well. As soon as he said the bolded, I noted that he was hoping that Dee and Lyndsay would win. Unlike some other group dates where the contestants compete for time with the lead by winning x and they can fudge the winner, on this one it was clear who was better. So really, he had no choice. Mik did the best by far. While I'm sure he enjoyed having time with Mik, I thought it was clear that he originally wanted Lyndsay. I should go back to look to what I wrote on here at the time when I was watching the episode. I'm pretty sure I commented on that.