Re: Rachel Lindsay & Bryan Abasolo - Bachelorette 13 - Discussion - #2

by **Sprite** Fri Sep 29, 2017 3:29 pm

bleuberry wrote:Vanessa could be clueless on this stuff (likely IMO). Rachel can get icy when she's done with someone. I can't imagine her being a bully though. JMO.

I can.

These two are both strong willed women. They were the alphas in that group. I can totally see Rachel going on the attack all lawyer like and Vanessa feeling bullied by that. I can also see Vanessa being very emotional. Somehow, I think that Rachel has been taught to keep her emotions in check and thus, Vanessa and her OTT reactions would annoy her...particularly as they were both after the same man. That said, Vanessa works with people with disabilities. Not that we are all absolutely wonderful people, but generally, we are pretty respectful and tolerant, so IMO something set her off. I can't see her getting all in Rachel's face over nothing. Oh, to have been a fly on the wall.

by bleuberry Fri Sep 29, 2017 4:01 pm

I didn't say Vanessa didn't feel bullied. But IMO going into lawyer mode or being icy doesn't = bullying (to me). JMO

by mysthelma Fri Sep 29, 2017 4:11 pm

Yes both Rachel and Vanessa seem strong willed, but Rachel has that sass and quick witt which imo can be intimidating. Imo. I can see why Vanessa would have a problem with that and describe Rachel's personality as bullying. But I also find it interesting that Vanessa had no problem being ok and friends with someone as condescending as Taylor.

by **Sprite** Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:12 pm

mysthelma wrote:Yes both Rachel and Vanessa seem strong willed, but Rachel has that sass and quick witt which imo can be intimidating. Imo. I can see why Vanessa would have a problem with that and describe Rachel's personality as bullying. But I also find it interesting that Vanessa had no problem being ok and friends with someone as condescending as Taylor.

I suspect the edited and real life Taylor are a bit different. In addition, Taylor is pretty young with a lot of maturing left to do. Rachel is Vanessa's age. Besides, IMO Taylor's assessment of Corinne were spot on.

by Kashathediva Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:21 pm

@Sprite I agree, I always thought Taylor had Corinne tagged.

by zoe06 Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:05 am

AND DLo in another interview is talking about how she was bullied by Vanessa in the house as some other woman none squad related have also report to. IMO as others have said both Vanessa and Rachel have similar strong women personalities and its clear it came to a head in the house. Everyone has a right to feel how they feel about things, but IMO if you are going to call me something you and accuse me of acting a certain way, you need to have examples, Rachel being lawyer deals with facts and evidence, so not surprised she asked her for examples. IMO. As i said i can see these traits in both women.

JMO

by Kashathediva Sat Sep 30, 2017 10:35 am

@zoe06 I would want an example or examples, too, if only to be able to identify the behavior with the actions and in order to change. How can you change if you don't know what to change?

by zoe06 Sat Sep 30, 2017 10:45 am

@Kashathediva agreed, when i get into arguements with people about my behavior, i fully understand a lot better why someone may feel i am acting a certain way when they can clearly point out other times when I have exhibited that behavior. IMO, as i said at the end of the day i both women having very strong personalities and have been reported to exhbit the same behavior, which is in my opinion wy they didn't get along. IMO

by coolangel Sat Sep 30, 2017 1:54 pm

zoe06 wrote:AND DLo in another interview is talking about how she was bullied by Vanessa in the house as some other woman none squad related have also report to. IMO as others have said both Vanessa and Rachel have similar strong women personalities and its clear it came to a head in the house. Everyone has a right to feel how they feel about things, but IMO if you are going to call me something you and accuse me of acting a certain way, you need to have examples, Rachel being lawyer deals with facts and evidence, so not surprised she asked her for examples. IMO. As i said i can see these traits in both women.

JMO

RS had reported that Vanessa said it was Rachel's eye-rolling and not looking her in the eyes while talking. Now usually I pay dust to whatever RS says but I believe this coz Rachel rolling her eyes at Vanessa was captured multiple times on camera on the Bimini group date. Rachel apparently didn't think it was bullying. So one can give examples but if the other person doesn't think it's bullying, there is nothing one can do IMO.

As for Danielle L, according to her 'bully' was a derogatory word and she has defended Jasmine's behavior on BIP that she wasn't bullying Christen. So I am not sure what Danielle L's definition of bullying is. And I have missed the other women talking about Vanessa-DLo's incident using the word 'bully'. I would definitely like to read that. As far as I know, Danielle and Jasmine are the only two people talking about it whenever they get a chance and frankly, those two and their opinions mean jack-sh*t to me.

All JMO

by **Sprite** Sat Sep 30, 2017 2:15 pm

coolangel wrote:
zoe06 wrote:AND DLo in another interview is talking about how she was bullied by Vanessa in the house as some other woman none squad related have also report to. IMO as others have said both Vanessa and Rachel have similar strong women personalities and its clear it came to a head in the house. Everyone has a right to feel how they feel about things, but IMO if you are going to call me something you and accuse me of acting a certain way, you need to have examples, Rachel being lawyer deals with facts and evidence, so not surprised she asked her for examples. IMO. As i said i can see these traits in both women.

JMO

RS had reported that Vanessa said it was Rachel's eye-rolling and not looking her in the eyes while talking. Now usually I pay dust to whatever RS says but I believe this coz Rachel rolling her eyes at Vanessa was captured multiple times on camera on the Bimini group date. Rachel apparently didn't think it was bullying. So one can give examples but if the other person doesn't think it's bullying, there is nothing one can do IMO.

As for Danielle L, according to her 'bully' was a derogatory word and she has defended Jasmine's behavior on BIP that she wasn't bullying Christen. So I am not sure what Danielle L's definition of bullying is. And I have missed the other women talking about Vanessa-DLo's incident using the word 'bully'. I would definitely like to read that. As far as I know, Danielle and Jasmine are the only two people talking about it whenever they get a chance and frankly, those two and their opinions mean jack-sh*t to me.

All JMO

by zoe06 Sat Sep 30, 2017 3:25 pm

coolangel wrote:
zoe06 wrote:AND DLo in another interview is talking about how she was bullied by Vanessa in the house as some other woman none squad related have also report to. IMO as others have said both Vanessa and Rachel have similar strong women personalities and its clear it came to a head in the house. Everyone has a right to feel how they feel about things, but IMO if you are going to call me something you and accuse me of acting a certain way, you need to have examples, Rachel being lawyer deals with facts and evidence, so not surprised she asked her for examples. IMO. As i said i can see these traits in both women.

JMO

RS had reported that Vanessa said it was Rachel's eye-rolling and not looking her in the eyes while talking. Now usually I pay dust to whatever RS says but I believe this coz Rachel rolling her eyes at Vanessa was captured multiple times on camera on the Bimini group date. Rachel apparently didn't think it was bullying. So one can give examples but if the other person doesn't think it's bullying, there is nothing one can do IMO.

As for Danielle L, according to her 'bully' was a derogatory word and she has defended Jasmine's behavior on BIP that she wasn't bullying Christen. So I am not sure what Danielle L's definition of bullying is. And I have missed the other women talking about Vanessa-DLo's incident using the word 'bully'. I would definitely like to read that. As far as I know, Danielle and Jasmine are the only two people talking about it whenever they get a chance and frankly, those two and their opinions mean jack-sh*t to me.

All JMO

IMO as aghast as people are at Rachel being offended at Vanessa calling her agressive. Really it it was only eye rolling and not looking into her eyes when she spoke? I am hoping and am going to give Vanessa the benefit of the doubt that she felt and experienced more than that because, I'm with Rachel I don't that find that to be bullying IMO. IMO People role their eyes all the time and then there are many people who don't look into someones eyes when they speak. If we are going off of RS reporting then he also said Vanessa was not liked by majority of the house, this would mean beyond the squad. As I have said I said both women are very strong willed and I saw AND CAN see top dog behavior from both of them JMO.

by coolangel Sat Sep 30, 2017 3:43 pm

zoe06 wrote:IMO as aghast as people are at Rachel being offended at Vanessa calling her agressive. Really it it was only eye rolling and not looking into her eyes when she spoke? I am hoping and am going to give Vanessa the benefit of the doubt that she felt and experienced more than that because, I'm with Rachel I don't that find that to be bullying IMO. IMO People role their eyes all the time and then there are many people who don't look into someones eyes when they speak. If we are going off of RS reporting then he also said Vanessa was not liked by majority of the house, this would mean beyond the squad. As I have said I said both women are very strong willed and I saw AND CAN see top dog behavior from both of them JMO.

IMO Rachel and Vanessa were never going to be best buds even if they met outside the show. Two alpha females rarely get along that well even in RL IMO. IMO In that environment when you are separated from your support system, family and friends and competing for the same guy, even little things can become big triggers. I don't blame either of them for what they felt was offensive behavior from the other and don't judge anyone for what they say/do on the show. Post-show is a different story though IMO and I am personally always on the side who take the high road.

All JMO

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