Peter Kraus - Bachelorette 13 - Discussion - #10

I am glad that he has shifted his focus from Rachel to his personal life. He sounds like he is the most perfect man you could ever want by his responses. Absolute perfection. No dating now and completely available but heartbroken and weary after his embattled season. He will surely find someone soon and he has a long line of equally perfect women waiting for him if he can just find her. I will be surprised if he does the Bachelor next season because it does not sound like he needs it.

My spidy sense is that even though he says he was very much in love with her Rachel sensed something was off and did not feel it. Because I think if she did she would have accepted just dating him without the ring if he was her man. Most women want the man they want and are willing to give it time if they think he will propose eventually.

I can't pretend to know what they really feeling for each other without being there. There was something so abrupt when he escorted out the door and kissed her for the last time. It still seemed like mixed messages to me. I love you and want to be with you but at the same time I am unsure of you and need to let you go. The whole talk about it being a sacrifice to propose sounded like she was not the one he ever planned on proposing to and he was saving it for someone else. JMO. That does not make him a bad guy but I can see where Rachel would let him go if she thought he felt that way. No woman wants a pity proposal.

He also was asked why he was not more physically affection with Rachel and he said that his love language was affirmation and conversation. Not a problem for a woman who is also into that but a lot of woman need and want a passionate kiss at end of the conversation. Not the entire date but at when you do kiss her it is passionate with feeling. Not polite kissing, what my aunt calls cheap kisses which is how Peter kissed Rachel. It makes a woman feel desired and beautiful and it is important. So the girl who gets romantically involved with Peter would to have to accept the lack of passion and instead focus on the conversation if that is the way he prefers it. I can see where that would be a disappointment to Rachel.

Peter will off the bachelor grid now and there will be a new season to discuss.

littlereddress wrote:I am glad that he has shifted his focus from Rachel to his personal life.  He sounds like he is the most perfect man you could ever want by his responses.  Absolute perfection.  No dating now and completely available but heartbroken and weary after his embattled season.  He will surely find someone soon and he has a long line of equally perfect women waiting for him if he can just find her.   I will be surprised if he does the Bachelor next season because it does not sound like he needs it.  

My spidy sense is that even though he says he was very much in love with her Rachel sensed something was off and did not feel it.  Because I think if she did she would have accepted just dating him without the ring if he was her man.  Most women want the man they want and are willing to give it time if they think he will propose eventually.  

I can't pretend to know what they really feeling for each other without being there.  There was something so abrupt when he escorted out the door and kissed her for the last time.  It still seemed like mixed messages to me.  I love you and want to be with you but at the same time I am unsure of you and need to let you go.  The whole talk about it being a sacrifice to propose sounded like she was not the one he ever planned on proposing to and he was saving it for someone else.  JMO.  That does not make him a bad guy but I can see where Rachel would let him go if she thought he felt that way.  No woman wants a pity proposal.  

He also was asked why he was not more physically affection with Rachel and he said that his love language was affirmation and conversation.  Not a problem for a woman who is also into that but a lot of woman need and want a passionate kiss at end of the conversation.  Not the entire date but at when you do kiss her it is passionate with feeling.  Not polite kissing, what my aunt calls cheap kisses which is how Peter kissed Rachel.  It makes a woman feel desired and beautiful and it is important.  So the girl who gets romantically involved with Peter would to have to accept the lack of passion and instead focus on the conversation if that is the way he prefers it.  I can see where that would be a disappointment to Rachel.  

Peter will off the bachelor grid now and there will be a new season to discuss.

I see your point of view and offer a different perspective. When Peter said he only wanted to propose once, I always felt he knew he was F2, kept for the broken-hearted new Bachelor. I think his pride would not let him propose because every one of those guys knew from at least the Geneva/matching watches that Bryan was F1. Like Eric said, "but, she wore the watch". 

Please understand; NOTHING would have made Rachel settle for any man who was unwilling to commit to a proposal. She and many women (like me) consider the fact that a man on that show who is unwilling to make that much of a commitment - which is clearly not a marriage but a promise to further investigate the possibilities - we/she/those of like minds would consider that a red flag, on fire and steroids and do exactly what Rachel did and leave him. He was never going to propose. Experienced women who love themselves know that. 

No man who really loves you can turn you over to a man he IMO is jealous of and dislikes, IF he is confident he can prevent it. That is never what a man does, IMO. So, either Peter didn't love her or, he loved his shot at the Bachelor more or, he was unwilling to risk what he knew would be rejection. No one here knows which.  

Rachel would have lost the respect of every man and woman she holds in high regard if she followed him out of there on national tv with nothing but that empty promise. I would be so disgusted, I wouldn't even be in this forum. She would have been considered a laughing stock and a fool where it really matters to her. I don't claim to know what was in her heart, but I know what it takes to maintain respect in her world. She could not follow Peter back to Nowhereville. She is too good, too strong for that. She would have had nothing. Even Peter knows there's something wrong. Peter's mother had already told her what she knew would convince Rachel to dump Peter even if that empty club and those friends who met them there, didn't. JMO

Rachel is smart and pragmatic and she loves love and all the feels of love, better than most. We saw no other man on that show that had the capacity for loving her and the confidence and commitment to be the man for her that Bryan is. They are the match. She knew that when she got the matching watches to show their grandchildren. JMO

littlereddress wrote:I am glad that he has shifted his focus from Rachel to his personal life.  He sounds like he is the most perfect man you could ever want by his responses.  Absolute perfection.  No dating now and completely available but heartbroken and weary after his embattled season.  He will surely find someone soon and he has a long line of equally perfect women waiting for him if he can just find her.   I will be surprised if he does the Bachelor next season because it does not sound like he needs it.  

My spidy sense is that even though he says he was very much in love with her Rachel sensed something was off and did not feel it.  Because I think if she did she would have accepted just dating him without the ring if he was her man.  Most women want the man they want and are willing to give it time if they think he will propose eventually.  

I can't pretend to know what they really feeling for each other without being there.  There was something so abrupt when he escorted out the door and kissed her for the last time.  It still seemed like mixed messages to me.  I love you and want to be with you but at the same time I am unsure of you and need to let you go.  The whole talk about it being a sacrifice to propose sounded like she was not the one he ever planned on proposing to and he was saving it for someone else.  JMO.  That does not make him a bad guy but I can see where Rachel would let him go if she thought he felt that way.  No woman wants a pity proposal.  

He also was asked why he was not more physically affection with Rachel and he said that his love language was affirmation and conversation.  Not a problem for a woman who is also into that but a lot of woman need and want a passionate kiss at end of the conversation.  Not the entire date but at when you do kiss her it is passionate with feeling.  Not polite kissing, what my aunt calls cheap kisses which is how Peter kissed Rachel.  It makes a woman feel desired and beautiful and it is important.  So the girl who gets romantically involved with Peter would to have to accept the lack of passion and instead focus on the conversation if that is the way he prefers it.  I can see where that would be a disappointment to Rachel.  

Peter will off the bachelor grid now and there will be a new season to discuss.

I love everything about this post!
Despite the usual pain and angst this franchise spews each season, all the characters seem to be in the places they want/need. We can be happy for them all and look forward to leaving them in peace and focusing in the next few months on Arie's season. The PTB seem to really like Arie, so my hope is that the requisite drama will be kept to a minimum, they'll have lots of terrific women for Arie to choose from, and that they'll show us his love story with the one he falls in love with!

Lievta wrote:

littlereddress wrote:I am glad that he has shifted his focus from Rachel to his personal life........Peter will off the bachelor grid now and there will be a new season to discuss.

I love everything about this post!
Despite the usual pain and angst this franchise spews each season, all the characters seem to be in the places they want/need. We can be happy for them all and look forward to leaving them in peace........

I hear you and really would love it if we could move on from the cast of the last two seasons of the bach/ette!!! But they always find a way to draw us back to them. I wish Peter well, If this is truly the case. IMO, there is someone for everyone and he will eventually find his person. He just needs to let sleeping dogs lie...(sorry to be trite).

IMO, Relevance and adoring fans have become very important to Peter. I'm not saying that as a criticism because he's not the only one but, he will continue to do whatever he feels he needs to in order to maintain adoration once Arie shows us a great bachelor and hearts really do race Peter did not intentionally pass on TB IMO. I believe TPTB wanted him, he was offered it first and screwed around until he surprise!, lost it. Seeing how they catered to him throughout Rachel's season (at the expense of Brachel) IMO made him overconfident and he underestimated TPTB's willingness to replace him.

Now, he needs to remain relevant so we will see those efforts playing out and after a while, they won't be pretty because he's already proven to have a very loose relationship with the truth and a big paintbrush for his ego. Just sayin' and JMO

Lievta wrote:

littlereddress wrote:I am glad that he has shifted his focus from Rachel to his personal life.  He sounds like he is the most perfect man you could ever want by his responses.  Absolute perfection.  No dating now and completely available but heartbroken and weary after his embattled season.  He will surely find someone soon and he has a long line of equally perfect women waiting for him if he can just find her.   I will be surprised if he does the Bachelor next season because it does not sound like he needs it.  

My spidy sense is that even though he says he was very much in love with her Rachel sensed something was off and did not feel it.  Because I think if she did she would have accepted just dating him without the ring if he was her man.  Most women want the man they want and are willing to give it time if they think he will propose eventually.  

I can't pretend to know what they really feeling for each other without being there.  There was something so abrupt when he escorted out the door and kissed her for the last time.  It still seemed like mixed messages to me.  I love you and want to be with you but at the same time I am unsure of you and need to let you go.  The whole talk about it being a sacrifice to propose sounded like she was not the one he ever planned on proposing to and he was saving it for someone else.  JMO.  That does not make him a bad guy but I can see where Rachel would let him go if she thought he felt that way.  No woman wants a pity proposal.  

He also was asked why he was not more physically affection with Rachel and he said that his love language was affirmation and conversation.  Not a problem for a woman who is also into that but a lot of woman need and want a passionate kiss at end of the conversation.  Not the entire date but at when you do kiss her it is passionate with feeling.  Not polite kissing, what my aunt calls cheap kisses which is how Peter kissed Rachel.  It makes a woman feel desired and beautiful and it is important.  So the girl who gets romantically involved with Peter would to have to accept the lack of passion and instead focus on the conversation if that is the way he prefers it.  I can see where that would be a disappointment to Rachel.  

Peter will off the bachelor grid now and there will be a new season to discuss.

I love everything about this post!
Despite the usual pain and angst this franchise spews each season, all the characters seem to be in the places they want/need. We can be happy for them all and look forward to leaving them in peace and focusing in the next few months on Arie's season. The PTB seem to really like Arie, so my hope is that the requisite drama will be kept to a minimum, they'll have lots of terrific women for Arie to choose from, and that they'll show us his love story with the one he falls in love with!

You are very optimistic. I on the other hand, expect even more drama, not so terrific, very young women that are pretty unsuitable and the love story to take a back seat to the bat sh*t crazy. If Arie finds his HEA from the mess that is no doubt, about to envelop him, I would be very surprised.

@Sprite I agree with you 100%. I do believe Peter will eventually move from the limelight and get tired of answering questions pertaining to Rachel. He'll keep the fanbase of women that have fallen in love with his image until another woman appears for him. And last, TPTB should select women 25 and over, stable careers, and know what they want, for Arie's season. However, the majority demographics for this show is 18-25. Older audiences have less tolerance and will tune out once the silliness starts and the younger audience will get bored with the maturity and lack of drama. TPTB thrive on the drama and the younger audience tuning in and staying tuned in. So I bet the crop will be really young women. Therefore I won't watch. Good luck to Arie finding his HEA though. He appears mature and stable, and watching him deal with whiny insecure 21- to 24-year old women will be too much. Saving myself the headaches in advance.

Quietbreezes wrote:@Sprite I agree with you 100%. I do believe Peter will eventually move from the limelight and get tired of answering questions pertaining to Rachel. He'll keep the fanbase of women that have fallen in love with his image until another woman appears for him. And last, TPTB should select women 25 and over, stable careers, and know what they want, for Arie's season. However, the majority demographics for this show is 18-25. Older audiences have less tolerance and will tune out once the silliness starts and the younger audience will get bored with the maturity and lack of drama. TPTB thrive on the drama and the younger audience tuning in and staying tuned in. So I bet the crop will be really young women. Therefore I won't watch. Good luck to Arie finding his HEA though. He appears mature and stable, and watching him deal with whiny insecure 21- to 24-year old women will be too much. Saving myself the headaches in advance.

I'm betting Peter will not voluntarily move out of the limelight and get tired of answering questions pertaining to Rachel. IMO, he will work whatever he has to, as long as he has to - in order to keep his name out there and continue to be relevant. I believe he's already shown us that the past two weeks and fortunately, Brachel has ignored him. In any case, it won't take long for us to see who's right. By Thanksgiving, we'll have a clear indication.

Chgohighlife wrote:

Quietbreezes wrote:@Sprite I agree with you 100%. I do believe Peter will eventually move from the limelight and get tired of answering questions pertaining to Rachel. He'll keep the fanbase of women that have fallen in love with his image until another woman appears for him. And last, TPTB should select women 25 and over, stable careers, and know what they want, for Arie's season. However, the majority demographics for this show is 18-25. Older audiences have less tolerance and will tune out once the silliness starts and the younger audience will get bored with the maturity and lack of drama. TPTB thrive on the drama and the younger audience tuning in and staying tuned in. So I bet the crop will be really young women. Therefore I won't watch. Good luck to Arie finding his HEA though. He appears mature and stable, and watching him deal with whiny insecure 21- to 24-year old women will be too much. Saving myself the headaches in advance.

I'm betting Peter will not voluntarily move out of the limelight and get tired of answering questions pertaining to Rachel. IMO, he will work whatever he has to, as long as he has to - in order to keep his name out there and continue to be relevant. I believe he's already shown us that the past two weeks and fortunately, Brachel has ignored him. In any case, it won't take long for us to see who's right. By Thanksgiving, we'll have a clear indication.

I don't see what Peter has done that is so much in the limelight. One interview with Entertainment Tonight, that Lauren Zima begged for mind you, finally saying his piece that everyone else on the show has done as well.....ok. Aside from that, he is back home, working and seemingly minding his own business.

I don't see why anyone is being viewed as "right or wrong".... it's over. Only fans (on both sides) that can't let it go are pitting Peter vs. Brachel, IMO.

adf23 wrote:

Chgohighlife wrote:

Quietbreezes wrote:@Sprite I agree with you 100%. I do believe Peter will eventually move from the limelight and get tired of answering questions pertaining to Rachel. He'll keep the fanbase of women that have fallen in love with his image until another woman appears for him. And last, TPTB should select women 25 and over, stable careers, and know what they want, for Arie's season. However, the majority demographics for this show is 18-25. Older audiences have less tolerance and will tune out once the silliness starts and the younger audience will get bored with the maturity and lack of drama. TPTB thrive on the drama and the younger audience tuning in and staying tuned in. So I bet the crop will be really young women. Therefore I won't watch. Good luck to Arie finding his HEA though. He appears mature and stable, and watching him deal with whiny insecure 21- to 24-year old women will be too much. Saving myself the headaches in advance.

I'm betting Peter will not voluntarily move out of the limelight and get tired of answering questions pertaining to Rachel. IMO, he will work whatever he has to, as long as he has to - in order to keep his name out there and continue to be relevant. I believe he's already shown us that the past two weeks and fortunately, Brachel has ignored him. In any case, it won't take long for us to see who's right. By Thanksgiving, we'll have a clear indication.

I don't see what Peter has done that is so much in the limelight.  One interview with Entertainment Tonight, that Lauren Zima begged for mind you,  finally saying his piece that everyone else on the show has done as well.....ok.  Aside from that, he is back home, working and seemingly minding his own business.  

I don't see why anyone is being viewed as "right or wrong".... it's over.  Only fans (on both sides) that can't let it go are pitting Peter vs. Brachel, IMO.

Maybe you didn't see Peter's I/G letter. In any event, it would be best if it happens exactly as you say. We'll see.

Peter's current life: 

Being active in charity source


Making DIY furniture for his new place: (Via his IG story)


& playing with Daisy:

Today's cardio involved going to the dog park with a dog who gets too easily distracted during fetch

— Peter Kraus (@PeterWIKraus) September 18, 2017

Maybe other people can't move on, but he sure has IMO.

Doing any kind of charity event is always a good thing in my book.