Bachelor Australia - Season 5 - Matty Johnson - F1-F4 - Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers* #2

Emayem wrote:I feel like this forum is going to be very quiet this week, Channel 10 is giving us nothing to work with at the moment!!

natik wrote:

Emayem wrote:I feel like this forum is going to be very quiet this week, Channel 10 is giving us nothing to work with at the moment!!

Probably that channel 10 is giving not much to work with but the SM and especially IG is giving a ton of hints you just need to play the field right. IMO

Emayem wrote:@natik I never know what to believe on SM! Hope you girls keep it up and keep sharing your finds, as we have a serious lack of screencaps to work with

GoWithTheFlo wrote:I always sleuth and follow the forums, but have never posted so I thought I'd share some things I've noticed about the music. They throw so many red herrings with the music and recycle it a bunch, so I started noting down some things I've found. I wasn't sure which forum to stick this in, but I thought maybe this one because it could maybe give some clarity on the whole Elise versus Laura deal, and all the music I looked into was used for F4 contestants I didn't look further back. Not sure if any of it is helpful, but here it is:

During Sam W's season, the F1 music was also used for Lana during their last single date. They didn't kiss as it played, they were just talking about feelings and their connection and blah blah. When they did kiss following the conversation, the music used was later recycled when Alex told Richie she loved him. This music was also used this season on the first night during Elise's first meeting with Matty (not when she exited the limo, just during their chat and as she walked away) AND when Tara was talking to Matty about her feelings during the Moroccan date. I checked out the unspoilt forums (I know, I'm naughty, I just wanted to see if their unspoilt eyes saw anything I may have missed forgive me!) and they noted the use of this music for Tara as a sign of her being F1. Massive red herring IMO.

You can hear the music here:
https://tenplay.com.au/channel-ten/the-bachelor/extra/season-5/elise-s-red-carpet-arrival

Another red herring recycling of music is the music used during Georgia and Matty's love boat date when they kiss after having a heart to heart was used when Sasha told Sam F he was in love with her.

https://tenplay.com.au/channel-ten/the-bachelorette/extra/season-2/signs-of-love

I also had a listen to the music used when Nikki and Matty confessed their love. For both of them the music was sad and soft. With Matty there was a moment of silence before the music kicked in where you can literally hear crickets chirping. Might be something to look out for if anyone says I love you early like Nikki did (after her HTD as she said goodbye)

http://www.mamamia.com.au/nikki-loves-richie-the-bachelor/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/tvshowbiz/video-1347119/Matty-J-tells-Georgia-falling-love-her.html

The music used for Nikki's limo arrival (which was pretty sad and haunting) was recycled during Matty's final date with Georgia when they kiss after landing from the zip line. It was also used the first time Richie and Olena 'made progress' in their relationship when she got SQT after the Tough Mudder group date. I think they're throwing red herrings out a lot with the F1 music being used for both Laura and Elise, and the whole Laura getting the Matty/Georgia music, Elise getting the Lee/Georgia music thing, but I think this music could potentially be very telling if they use it this season. Again JMO, but they seem to use it during happy moments and I definitely think it's worth looking out for.

https://tenplay.com.au/channel-ten/the-bachelor/extra/season-4/nikki-s-red-carpet-arrival
https://tenplay.com.au/channel-ten/the-bachelor/extra/season-4/olena-s-true-feelings

A lot of the uplifting music they've used for moments with the F1 is often shifted around and used for non F1 girls, but the sad music (I refer to it as Nikki's limo music) hasn't been used on an F1 as far as I know. Since Mamamia published the article about THE F1 music, which has TPTB trying their best to throw us off, I wanted to see if I could find another music tell.

Also as I'm new to posting I wasn't sure about adding links etc... I just pasted them in so hopefully there isn't a trick to it. Let me know what you think!

GoWithTheFlo wrote:

During Sam W's season, the F1 music was also used for Lana during their last single date. They didn't kiss as it played, they were just talking about feelings and their connection and blah blah.

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Since Mamamia published the article about THE F1 music, which has TPTB trying their best to throw us off, I wanted to see if I could find another music tell.

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Storybook wrote:

Bumbleguild wrote:So the official BachelorAu instagram has only chosen to tag Laura and Matty, and Elise and Matty in their posts. Do you think they chose to tag Elise after everyone called them out for making it too obvious Laura is F1?

Also, the only thing that is making me not accept Laura as F1 is that it is Elise's voice last in the first promo and I can't shake that. I thought it was always the winner who spoke last in those? Thoughts?

If the comments on FB, as to the confusion who wins are anything to go by then TPTB have done an excellent job of editing this season. To me the only thing obvious about the objectives of TPTB is to keep the viewer guessing. Most people want Tara to win. Some people write they will hunt Matty down if she doesn't. IMO, going by past seasons Tara is Nikki and Matty 2.0 and Laura is Lee and Alex, she has there from the start and isn't going away.
So where does this leave Elise? Either the whole 'slow burn' is a red herring or it is genuine. I choose to believe it is the latter. Even if Matty is a puppet during the show he is allowed to make his own choice of winner. In his interviews he has stressed he gave himself time for his feelings to develop. And I also believe Matty respects Elise's dad. I ask myself often does Matty really want to be Australia's biggest disgrace by doing the very thing Elise's dad said not to do, which was to string his daughter along. And another question I have is why the producers even showed us that scene?
And has been mentioned in the forum before, in Elise's fishing game they showed us 3 photos. One was Elise's family - we have met her dad and others at HTD. The second was her hockey career - Matty organised the hockey date. The third is wine and cheese on the beach - I am going down with the ship they have this in Thailand
As for the last voice being the F1, I am new to sluething but regular posters say that is the case.

AprilApril wrote:@Storybook It was alleged that Matty fell hard for F1 and it was difficult to edit the show to hide this.
IMO if this is true, only Elise's edit fits in with this. They had to hide her for as long as possible, for example not showing her red carpet arrival or not showing any of her talks with Matty before the fishing game (which also IA with others can't have been the first time her hockey career was mentioned for example).
I don't know why he waited for so long to have an SD with her. But let's say once he did start spending time with her things picked up and it was obvious that Elise was his choice. So they had to hide this in the edit.
Instead they put up Laura as the frontrunner, and they have shown Tara/Florence/Elora as credible contenders from the start. Elise could have been in the same category as Tara/Florence/Elora and been shown along with them, she could have had a similar edit and not be hidden.
But they hid her - why? As was pointed out viewers/fans do not need a new face this late, they have say Tara as the fan favourite, so if Elise is not important in any way, why hide her in the beginning and pick her story up only now?

Along with what was written about Elise's dad etc and the last voice being Elise IMO too, I am hoping that F1 is Elise.

And they are promoting Laura way too much.
This could be a double bluff, and if Laura is F1 then that is fine, but in this case still not sure why have Elise bought out of hibernation this late in the piece, noone 'needs' another contender thrown in, we all have our favourites by now, judging from the majority of comments on SM she is a distraction not a threat - even Lisa was still on the audience's favourite list and many were surprised to see her gone.

As I said before the spoiler on sportsbet is disturbing, the only real thing that gives me pause to think, but as others pointed out they could be wrong.
As for the F1 music (and other editing choices such as preseason promo etc ) many of you write that that is somewhat mixed up anyway and it really could be that the producers have a new rulebook.

Not sure if this makes sense, it seems all logical in my head!
I choose to think that Matty fell in love with Elise and it was hard to hide this obviousness  - hence the very unusal edit of the season.
All IMO.

Storybook wrote:@AprilApril Thanks for your post, I enjoyed reading it. You make some good points. I had read media reports on how Matty couldn't hide his feelings. But what is amazing to me is how some people see Matty display genuine feelings for Laura and no one else. Others think he looks at Tara differently, others think he has a connection with Flo. A few people think Matty and Elise have chemistry but not many.
I agree with your thought that once Matty started spending time with Elise he was a gonner

From an article I read about Sportsbet they were hoping to get the photos taken in Thailand to set the betting odds. But this didn't happen. Channel 10 paid a lot of money to keep the photographers from publishing their photos. Sportsbet need inside information and call me naive, but I honestly don't believe a channel 10 employee spoilt the result. This means they have to rely on second hand information. Their lack of knowledge is in question over the odds they gave Lisa.
Laura had media exposure before the show began and IMO, which could well be wrong, I think they probably went with this.

Matty has said over and over he is an outdoors person and a family man. IMO Elise best fits both requirements. But if Laura is the one who Matty can see himself with, then what I think doesn't matter.

Missfi wrote:@aprilapril
I completely agree with you. It just makes no sense to hide Elise's red carpet arrival or other early interactions with Matty unless it was obvious. If you watch there first QT and SD they were very at ease with one and other for two people that "apparently" had spent no time together. I think we may see the whole story in the finale and I choose to believe this is not Matty 2.0. I think she will be the last one standing. Fingers crossed.