Bachelorette 13 - Rachel Lindsay - Episode 10 FRC - Aug 7 - *Sleuthing Spoilers* #3

sosleepy wrote:I read elsewhere that Rachel said somewhere she didn't want *any* of her men to be The Bachelor? If true... unreal. Super controlling and petty.

Rachelsseason wrote:Did they show Rachel telling Bryan on their FSD that she was in love with him? I didn't see it, but I was doing a bunch of other stuff whilst watching. I only ask because that is what they mention in this interview.
https://youtu.be/lLxPN39Rwrk

sfrank wrote:

sosleepy wrote:I read elsewhere that Rachel said somewhere she didn't want *any* of her men to be The Bachelor? If true... unreal. Super controlling and petty.

Today she said Alex, Eric, or Kenny would be great so I think she's fine with it. She also said she did not say the Peter couldn't be the bachelor just that format was not right for him in her opinion.  

jalkire wrote:I don't think she begged for a proposal from Peter. I actually think she was trying to let him go, and Peter made it difficult.

Aria wrote:I guess social media should get to eating Peter alive too, since he's been bitter and petty for the past two months on social media! But I guess that's the difference between the two: when Rachel does it, at least she does it in the open and owns up to it. Peter, on the other hand, does it on social media and then acts like a contrite gentleman on TV, like the two-faced hypocrite that he is. IMO.

coolangel wrote:If for nothing else, I want him to be the Bachelor for that - so that next season, I can witness him falling off the pedestal and SM turning on him when he picks the other woman in place of the next Bachelorette pick who would undoubtedly be the SM darling thanks to TPTB.

BKay wrote:I admit to not watching much of this season, but what little I did see just made me think Peter was only there waiting for his lead role. He seemed perplexed that he made it all the way to F2. Rachel on the other hand, imo, had producers in her ear telling her she needed to wring a proposal out of him. These tptb know their business - Peter is all the talk, just as they planned.

Mia_Leoni wrote:I don't understand why the edit was deliberately polarizing.

Just a speculation, is it possible that they were hoping for a Mesnick?  

TPTB could have softened Bryan (edited out the Ellen "sloppy seconds" comment) but chose not to.

Then they overemphasized the break- up with Peter, and brought him out at the ATFR...while Rachel wasn't wearing her engagement ring.

This just occurred to me as a possibility, after hearing how different peoples' perceptions are about the F3 and the ending.   Editing was confusing. The storyline wasn't romantic. There were just so many things off that did a disservice to Rachel, imo

sdmom wrote:

Rachelsseason wrote:Did they show Rachel telling Bryan on their FSD that she was in love with him? I didn't see it, but I was doing a bunch of other stuff whilst watching. I only ask because that is what they mention in this interview.
https://youtu.be/lLxPN39Rwrk

Thanks for the link!
She told Bryan, and not peter, she was in love with him on FSD. I guess off camera?
No settling st all, imo.

Amethyst wrote:I'm still puzzled by what went on between Peter and Rachel. She was really clear about what her end game was all along -- a proposal. From her choices and behavior I can infer that she also wanted someone who was all in -- who had a completely open heart, who was willing to pursue her, who wanted her completely, and who was willing to throw his hat in the ring. That person was clearly not Peter. He was ambivalent about the process and about Rachel for much of the season.

The only person who met her requirements 100% was Bryan. I think Eric came close. So why did Rachel not bring Eric to F2? That is my question. He loved her with a puppy-dog openness, and he was willing to propose. There is no doubt in my mind that if allowed, Eric would have had his chat with Neil Lane and gotten down on one knee. Apparently rejecting Eric would not have been quite as troubling to Rachel, since in her judgment, he was not ready.

So why bring Peter all the way to F2? Barring producer machinations, there is not a minute of that show where Rachel could not have sent Peter home. I'm sure that beyond Eric, there were a number of other guys on her season who would have been willing to propose to her. If getting engaged and being all in was her number one requirement, why not bring men along who were still in that game?

The watch -- I keep coming back to the watch. Rachel said that she could see problems with Peter going back to Geneva (although she never elaborated.) Well, all I can say is that if the object of my affections procured a massively expensive matching his-and-hers present for a rival, that would be a signal for me to cash out my chips. Game over. Of course Peter had problems with her after that! He's not stupid, and he's not a lovely, open-hearted Eric who is going to see something like that and just accept it with no question whatsoever. That's not who Peter is. He lives inside his head. He's going to add up the clues and come to the not unreasonable conclusion that he's not the front-runner.

My thinking is that Rachel did not want Peter. She wanted Bryan. But what she wanted most was to be in complete control of her finalists, and Peter would not and could not give that to her.

I seem to recall Rachel saying at one point that she felt a sort of possessiveness about her men. I saw some of that in play last night. Her comment that in her opinion the process may not be best for Peter -- well she can feel that way all she wants to, and she may indeed be right about it. *But IMO last night was NOT the night to say that.* Last night, she was in the winners' seat. She had her pick of the men, she had the rock, the People cover, and the Spanish vacation. Last night was also probably Peter's last, best chance for making his case for being the Bachelor. But IMO Rachel *could not let it go.* She is a courtroom lawyer in one of the biggest arenas of her life. Every last thing this woman says in a public arena is intentional. She is used to choosing her words with care. She deliberately threw him under the bus. Why? Because IMO he did not hand over control of his heart to her. And that irritated her to no end.

I do admire the way that Bryan has consistently steered clear of drama. Kudos to him for that. I don't mind the shilling. I figure that it's like any other form of media -- you have to give people content with the shilling, so they'll be willing to put up with it. The Dr. Abs stuff is funny, but hey, if he can sell it, more power to him.

AllAboutLove wrote: As much as I would snark I still wouldn't wish Peter on any woman. They all deserve better than someone like Peter imo who has demonstrated very dysfunctional and toxic tendencies imo already - on and off the show - and just his tone even how he talked to Rachel was so creepy - reminded me of Josh Murray - very my-way-or-the-highway and yet playing the victim all at once. Classic abusive controlling tendencies imo.

AllAboutLove wrote:It's why it makes it hard for me to even snark because I think Peter has some real issues and I would tell any woman to RUN as fast as they can from him. This is NOT a guy who acted how he did on the show because of just Rachel, imo... Peter is someone who is toxic and controlling and power hungry in relationships and I don't think for a second he would be acting any differently than the rigid manipulative his-way-or-nothing-at-all way with any woman, regardless of who she is.

Mia_Leoni wrote: I don't understand why the edit was deliberately polarizing.

Mia_Leoni wrote: Just a speculation, is it possible that they were hoping for a Mesnick?  

Mia_Leoni wrote: TPTB could have softened Bryan (edited out the Ellen "sloppy seconds" comment) but chose not to.
Then they overemphasized the break- up with Peter...

Mia_Leoni wrote:  Editing was confusing. The storyline wasn't romantic. There were just so many things off that did a disservice to Rachel, imo