Nick Viall & Vanessa Grimaldi - Bachelor 21 - Discussion - #3

mprssdbyu wrote:

Jane781 wrote:I wouldn't say doing two podcasts of people he knows and is at least somewhat friendly with qualifies as keeps on agreeing to podcasts and interviews. The one we only have picitures of was a panel and prob was a lot more general questions about reality tv.

Also, regarding his businesses, he mentioned it in both podcasts, but I wouldn't say he dwelled on it or that that was the reason he did them. I mean he hasn't even hardly promoted the products on his own socials since the launch other than tagging it in some insta photos. I would hardly call that desperate sales attempts. I don't think we know enough about the business to judge whether it's successful or not. We have no idea who put what into it, or what they need to make to consider it a success.

I have a hard time trying to reconcile people's claims that Nick's desperate to be famous and remain in the spotlight with how far he's stepped back from it. I think he wants to keep doors open and will pursue things that he is interested in if they come along, but he will also willingly pass up things. He may enjoy the spotlight, but IMO his actions clearly show that that fame/attention alone are not his priority.

I agree that Nick is a different bird. You either like it or you don't.

You know I would question how little advertising he does and wonder how successful his business venture could be with so little advertising. But Nick has a lot of connections through modeling, his business partners, etc.  I often see Michael Jordan in pics with at least one of his partners. When he says it's on back order, it's not falling apart just yet. I'll have to leave the business model up to Nick and hope it continues to do well.

Jane781 wrote:So, you believe he put months into a business and is now just sitting on his hands letting it fail? We obviously have very different opinions of Nick, but if I've seen anything from Nick over the years, he is determined and works hard for the things he wants.

sosleepy wrote:Alright... I like Nick and always have.

But excellent work ethic? From a guy that quit his job to... idk what really, start some business that doesn't seem to be going anywhere and reality show hopping out in LA? I'll give you he's persistent in following his dreams... but excellent work ethic? Hmmm... if that were the case he'd have skipped out on a show or 3 to continue climbing the ranks at Salesforce in Chicago or whatever. JMO.

coolangel wrote:

sosleepy wrote:Alright... I like Nick and always have.

But excellent work ethic? From a guy that quit his job to... idk what really, start some business that doesn't seem to be going anywhere and reality show hopping out in LA? I'll give you he's persistent in following his dreams... but excellent work ethic? Hmmm... if that were the case he'd have skipped out on a show or 3 to continue climbing the ranks at Salesforce in Chicago or whatever. JMO.

I respect your opinion but I disagree. For me, excellent work ethic is not about succeeding in whatever you do or climbing the career ladder but giving your everything to what you are doing presently. One of my friends/co-workers quit his job and stated a game startup 3 years back which failed. Last year, he came back and took up his old position again. In those 2 years, I have seen him give his everything to make it a success and for me that spoke of his work ethic. Our manager held the same beliefs and pulled some strings to get him his old position with no interview process.  

Nick's HS coach has given interviews talking about his work ethic. Nick's old manager at Salesforce said the job was open to him whenever he chose to come back. DWTS cast and crew spoke about how hard he worked and left comments on his SM saying that during his elimination. So many different people from different time periods in his life have the same thing to say and for me that speaks of his excellent work ethic.

All JMO

sosleepy wrote:
Absolutely agree. There are lots of non-traditional ways a person can express good work eithic without the traditional climbing the work ladder, obvious example. Regarding Nick specifically, I just highly doubt this little business is really anything very serious to him. I don't see him bleeding his heart and soul into it, something that would signify good work ethic. Rather to me, it seems like a little side project to keep him somewhat busy because he's honestly kind of lost. Serious mid life crisis. He hit the big time with Bachelor and DWTS. He's almost 40... and that's kinda old to break it into Hollywood for real. And basically no one does, or with few exceptions, from this franchise (or any reality tv) anyway. So... like now what? Fake business time. **IMO** Helps his image a bit. He doesn't know who he is or where he's going, basically. That's how I see Nick.

Not knocking him either. I LIKE him. **IMO** He's just neck high in this franchise curse of fame and attention seeking and finding it difficult to transition back to real world. He is most definitely NOT the first to fall in this trap. But **IMO** he's perhaps one of the worse to get in over their head ... and it's hard to extricate yourself.