Bachelorette 13 - Rachel Lindsay - SM Media - *Sleuthing Spoilers* Discussion - #6

lleyki wrote:So suddenly all the problematic issues of this show doesn't exist because the producers deigned to finally cast a professional and beautiful black woman as the lead? Whatever, Kareem.

sdmom wrote:Well, I hope Kareem approves her f1 then.

lleyki wrote:

Like how would you know where they are filming unless some smarmy producer told you?

From the clip, it seems she supposedly found out when he appeared on the AFR because DeMario was one of the guys who met Rachel early. While I can see a producer being behind this, the story is not that inconceivable.

good for Nick for deciding that Vanessa is better than Rachel. Imo

Except Nick has never said Vanessa is better than Rachel. In fact Nick has never said anything but the most generous, kind and complimentary things about Rachel. Nick's picking Vanessa does not automatically equate to thinking Vanessa is better than Rachel. Love and relationships is not about one person being better than another but about two people being right for each other. My guess is Nick picked the woman he felt was right for him and not as an indictment against the other women.

And that I think is exactly the issue some have with this constant wording of "she was too good for him". It's this need that many seem to have in equating picking one woman or man over another as automatically one being better than the other. Of course silly me, I've always believed that different people can come into your life and even if they're not your happily ever after, it doesn't automatically mean that there was something wrong with that person. It just means they weren't right for you or you right for them.

Frankly, I don't even care about Kareem Abddul Jabar's comment regarding Nick and Rachel because it's not like it's anything people haven't been saying since last season. I'm more disappointed in his doing the show at all. I read his article and as eloquently written as it was, I still call bullcrap on it. I read Kareem's previous article criticizing the show and its entire premise and you know what, as much as I watch the show myself, I saw his point and felt he had very valid criticisms. And the fact is, all of these criticisms regarding the show and its inherent sexism, problematic issues is still there, no matter how awesome Rachel is. Because this is still just another manipulated, edited season of this show as all the others.

So no matter what he says, I came away feeling like the only reason he is suddenly okay with being on the show and done a slight 180, is because the lead is black. So suddenly all the problematic issues of this show doesn't exist because the producers deigned to finally cast a professional and beautiful black woman as the lead? Whatever, Kareem.

lleyki wrote:

Except Nick has never said Vanessa is better than Rachel. In fact Nick has never said anything but the most generous, kind and complimentary things about Rachel. Nick's picking Vanessa does not automatically equate to thinking Vanessa is better than Rachel. Love and relationships is not about one person being better than another but about two people being right for each other. My guess is Nick picked the woman he felt was right for him and not as an indictment against the other women.

And that I think is exactly the issue some have with this constant wording of "she was too good for him". It's this need that many seem to have in equating picking one woman or man over another as automatically one being better than the other. Of course silly me, I've always believed that different people can come into your life and even if they're not your happily ever after, it doesn't automatically mean that there was something wrong with that person. It just means they weren't right for you or you right for them.

see2love wrote:She saw him on aftr and wanted to out him alright. Demario was officially on the show from the aftr and she probably would have had no access to him except to go through the producers, and didnt one of the  girls mention it to Rachel? Also  this would be his first date since opening night which makes sense that the producers invited her along for the "comedy". Good tv for me

Sprite wrote:

see2love wrote:She saw him on aftr and wanted to out him alright. Demario was officially on the show from the aftr and she probably would have had no access to him except to go through the producers, and didnt one of the  girls mention it to Rachel? Also  this would be his first date since opening night which makes sense that the producers invited her along for the "comedy". Good tv for me

I guess it is good tv, but it still feels totally fake and set up to me. It's like watching an episode of Cheaters, but more fake and less crazy.

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sdmom wrote:@lleyki I always like your posts! Well said, and I am so tired of hearing who's too good for whom , who is better than whom. Vanessa is not better than Rachel and  Rachel is not too good for Nick. Nick and Vanessa are happy together and Rachel is glowing with her finance. Can people not just enjoy seeing happy couples without being negative???
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