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Post by coolangel Mon May 29, 2017 1:13 pm

lleyki wrote:So suddenly all the problematic issues of this show doesn't exist because the producers deigned to finally cast a professional and beautiful black woman as the lead? Whatever, Kareem.

IKR! laugh out loud He comes across as such a hypocrite now IMO after his long-azz article last season. Zero problems with his opinion on Nick and Rachel although how he knows Nick is not smarter, wittier, funnier or more mature than Rachel without meeting him even once is beyond me but whatever.  Hugesmile

sdmom wrote:Well, I hope Kareem approves her f1 then.
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Post by Sprite Mon May 29, 2017 1:21 pm

lleyki wrote:
Like how would you know where they are filming unless some smarmy producer told you?

From the clip, it seems she supposedly found out when he appeared on the AFR because DeMario was one of the guys who met Rachel early. While I can see a producer being behind this, the story is not that inconceivable.

good for Nick for deciding that Vanessa is better than Rachel. Imo
Except Nick has never said Vanessa is better than Rachel. In fact Nick has never said anything but the most generous, kind and complimentary things about Rachel. Nick's picking Vanessa does not automatically equate to thinking Vanessa is better than Rachel. Love and relationships is not about one person being better than another but about two people being right for each other. My guess is Nick picked the woman he felt was right for him and not as an indictment against the other women.

And that I think is exactly the issue some have with this constant wording of "she was too good for him". It's this need that many seem to have in equating picking one woman or man over another as automatically one being better than the other. Of course silly me, I've always believed that different people can come into your life and even if they're not your happily ever after, it doesn't automatically mean that there was something wrong with that person. It just means they weren't right for you or you right for them.

Frankly, I don't even care about Kareem Abddul Jabar's comment regarding Nick and Rachel because it's not like it's anything people haven't been saying since last season. I'm more disappointed in his doing the show at all. I read his article and as eloquently written as it was, I still call bullcrap on it. I read Kareem's previous article criticizing the show and its entire premise and you know what, as much as I watch the show myself, I saw his point and felt he had very valid criticisms. And the fact is, all of these criticisms regarding the show and its inherent sexism, problematic issues is still there, no matter how awesome Rachel is. Because this is still just another manipulated, edited season of this show as all the others.

So no matter what he says, I came away feeling like the only reason he is suddenly okay with being on the show and done a slight 180, is because the lead is black. So suddenly all the problematic issues of this show doesn't exist because the producers deigned to finally cast a professional and beautiful black woman as the lead? Whatever, Kareem.

I know that she would have found out that Demario was on the show because she saw him on the AFTR, but she wouldn't have known where exactly they were filming...right at that moment...on the basketball court of wherever they were...unless it was because producers told her. No matter what lame excuse they/she makes tonight, it would have never happened unless producers assisted her.

As for your analysis of Kareem, I totally agree. I read his article last season, so to say that I was surprised that he actually made an appearance this season, is an understatement. If you are so against the show, then don't promote it.....even if the lead is a WOC. Yeah, I thought his article last year was very thoughtful and was impressed with his analysis and though process, but not impressed by the bias.


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Post by Guest Mon May 29, 2017 1:24 pm

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Except Nick has never said Vanessa is better than Rachel. In fact Nick has never said anything but the most generous, kind and complimentary things about Rachel. Nick's picking Vanessa does not automatically equate to thinking Vanessa is better than Rachel. Love and relationships is not about one person being better than another but about two people being right for each other. My guess is Nick picked the woman he felt was right for him and not as an indictment against the other women.

And that I think is exactly the issue some have with this constant wording of "she was too good for him". It's this need that many seem to have in equating picking one woman or man over another as automatically one being better than the other. Of course silly me, I've always believed that different people can come into your life and even if they're not your happily ever after, it doesn't automatically mean that there was something wrong with that person. It just means they weren't right for you or you right for them.

bowdown  :Thanktwo  What a lovely post IMO.  Thanks and I couldn't agree more with your sentiments.  JMO.

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Post by Guest Mon May 29, 2017 1:28 pm

She saw him on aftr and wanted to out him alright. Demario was officially on the show from the aftr and she probably would have had no access to him except to go through the producers, and didnt one of the girls mention it to Rachel? Also this would be his first date since opening night which makes sense that the producers invited her along for the "comedy". Good tv for me

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Post by Sprite Mon May 29, 2017 1:32 pm

see2love wrote:She saw him on aftr and wanted to out him alright. Demario was officially on the show from the aftr and she probably would have had no access to him except to go through the producers, and didnt one of the  girls mention it to Rachel? Also  this would be his first date since opening night which makes sense that the producers invited her along for the "comedy". Good tv for me

I guess it is good tv, but it still feels totally fake and set up to me. It's like watching an episode of Cheaters, but more fake and less crazy.


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Post by Guest Mon May 29, 2017 1:39 pm

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see2love wrote:She saw him on aftr and wanted to out him alright. Demario was officially on the show from the aftr and she probably would have had no access to him except to go through the producers, and didnt one of the  girls mention it to Rachel? Also  this would be his first date since opening night which makes sense that the producers invited her along for the "comedy". Good tv for me

I guess it is good tv, but it still feels totally fake and set up to me. It's like watching an episode of Cheaters, but more fake and less crazy.

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Post by sdmom Mon May 29, 2017 1:44 pm

@lleyki I always like your posts! Well said, and I am so tired of hearing who's too good for whom , who is better than whom. Vanessa is not better than Rachel and Rachel is not too good for Nick. Nick and Vanessa are happy together and Rachel is glowing with her finance. Can people not just enjoy seeing happy couples without being negative???
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Post by Ladybug82 Mon May 29, 2017 1:48 pm

The date with Kareem was publicized ahead of time and asked for people to rsvp if interested.  So the gf could have legitmately found them, but probably not gotten to them without producers help.  

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Post by Guest Mon May 29, 2017 1:50 pm

sdmom wrote:@lleyki I always like your posts! Well said, and I am so tired of hearing who's too good for whom , who is better than whom. Vanessa is not better than Rachel and  Rachel is not too good for Nick. Nick and Vanessa are happy together and Rachel is glowing with her finance. Can people not just enjoy seeing happy couples without being negative???
All Jmo.

I know right? And if you cant enjoy a couple ignore and be all live and let live. In an ideal world this would be the case but alas...we do not live in an deal world.
I love discussing the show on here and not so much to discuss what was said about one over the other again and again. This is why I never like ot when a season is spoiled, it becomes less about sleuthing and more about who likes who and favourites. But thats just me.

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Post by Guest Mon May 29, 2017 1:55 pm

@sdmom I love Nick and Vanessa together, I will love Rachel and ***** together too.  Each find their one and that is all we need to know.  Love is that undefined feeling and if it is not there they all move on to find it somewhere else.  No one is better than the other, it was just not their time yet, luckily they move one step further and found it. Now both are happy with their ending. AMO


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Post by Guest Mon May 29, 2017 1:56 pm

Some new interviews with Rachel.

http://www.wkow.com/story/35537438/2017/05/29/bachelorette-rachel-lindsay-talks-about-madison-contestant-peter-kraus

http://ew.com/tv/2017/05/29/bachelorette-rachel-lindsay-interview/?xid=entertainment-weekly_socialflow_twitter

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/rachel-lindsay-says-law-firm-bosses-happy-shes-bachelorette-150116858.html

It's cute how Copper got his name! I liked the first interview because it's with a local Wisconsin news station Smiley

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Post by ReneeM Mon May 29, 2017 1:57 pm

^^She took the chocolate anyways!

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