Nick Viall & Vanessa Grimaldi - Bachelor 21 - Discussion - #2

Mgrissom wrote:Its so obvious to me that Nick and Vanessa are past all of this now.

However, the ATFR was soon after Rachel and the "squad" had all been together at WTA and they were hanging out in LA partying and the infamous IG or Facebook live where they said they did not like Vanessa.  We saw Vanessa isolated and crying during filming and we heard of a fight.  I think one reason for Vanessa appearing unhappy at the ATFR was Vanessa still dealing with that hurt.  Nick was honest with her and it was very hard for her to handle his relationship with the women that she had crossed paths with.  (She is thinking - how could he have liked Rachel and me, Corrine and me, Raven and me....)

Seeing the two of them out in public now, without others around, it is so obvious how much they support, care for, and love one another.  Instead of DWTS being a strain on the relationship, it has helped them because it has given them something to do together.

crunchycheeto wrote:I really don't see how Nick's answer to the question regarding Sarah was considered as shade, because he basically said he had his reasons for eliminating her (kind of the point of the show). Reasons that the audience weren't privy to, which then allowed her to remain a fan favourite. It's easy to remain a fan favourite when the audience can project a personality onto a character hardly ever shown; and I think Nick was speaking to that phenomenon. Nick never implied that his reasons for eliminating her were because she was a bad person/there for the wrong reasons -- if that's what's assumed by his comment, then that's projection, IMO.

As far as throwing shade, I don't think anyone's making the argument that Nick and Vanessa are saints or that they're victims. That choice of words seem to always come from the anti- camp, as if putting words in other people's mouths. I think the argument coming from the pro- camp is that the shade or the "hate" Nick and Vanessa have received has been disproportionate to whatever they have dished. I still think RS' big "insider" scoop on the Bimini fight was underwhelming in the sense that the negative reaction toward Vanessa was unbefitting of the "crime". Like a lot of the petty drama from this season, it seemed as if people continuing to hint at it were making a mountain out of a mole hill. No wonder certain people have felt it unworthy of acknowledging.

coolangel wrote:Group of friends are bound to happen IMO. Not everyone will get along with everyone else IMO. My problem with this 'squad' is how they use their collective group to gang up on someone else IMO. If they just stuck together and celebrated their friendships, I would have no issue with them. Instead they go on with the 'There's 7 of us and only 7' kinda statement as if the others are not worthy of their friendship.

Here is one example: Raven's pic caption for Rachel had '#realrecognizesreal' as a hashtag. That is massive shade right there for no reason IMO. It's possible to cherish your friendships without belittling others IMO. I have zero respect for the ones who drag others in their pettiness who have taken the high road IMO.

All JMO

Skates wrote:

Mgrissom wrote:Its so obvious to me that Nick and Vanessa are past all of this now.

However, the ATFR was soon after Rachel and the "squad" had all been together at WTA and they were hanging out in LA partying and the infamous IG or Facebook live where they said they did not like Vanessa.  We saw Vanessa isolated and crying during filming and we heard of a fight.  I think one reason for Vanessa appearing unhappy at the ATFR was Vanessa still dealing with that hurt.  Nick was honest with her and it was very hard for her to handle his relationship with the women that she had crossed paths with.  (She is thinking - how could he have liked Rachel and me, Corrine and me, Raven and me....)

Seeing the two of them out in public now, without others around, it is so obvious how much they support, care for, and love one another.  Instead of DWTS being a strain on the relationship, it has helped them because it has given them something to do together.

       -  IMO  -   Just a side mention, Nick's TB WTA had tanked pretty badly in TV ratings...it had reflected so much of how immature the girls were...all I saw was questions and arguments that didn't make sense...the girls each of them trying to catch their 15 minutes moments of fame...it was so pathetic...I couldn't even bring myself to finish watching it, I just let the TV ran...most of the questions had obvious answers....but, were discussed anyways just to bring up something to fill in the gap for the shows...nothing new or really interesting so far...there were some obvious issues, but it didn't seem like they were able to resolve any...  -   IMO -

       I think this has been the worst WTA so far among the TB seasons...majority of the girls talking over each other randomly...  -  JMO  -

sdmom wrote:

coolangel wrote:Group of friends are bound to happen IMO. Not everyone will get along with everyone else IMO. My problem with this 'squad' is how they use their collective group to gang up on someone else IMO. If they just stuck together and celebrated their friendships, I would have no issue with them. Instead they go on with the 'There's 7 of us and only 7' kinda statement as if the others are not worthy of their friendship.

Here is one example: Raven's pic caption for Rachel had '#realrecognizesreal' as a hashtag. That is massive shade right there for no reason IMO. It's possible to cherish your friendships without belittling others IMO. I have zero respect for the ones who drag others in their pettiness who have taken the high road IMO.

All JMO

I haven't looked at Raven's IG for weeks but since you mentioned, I decided to check out. My first reaction seeing her multiple pics of her bikini and barely there bottom I was like what happened? It looks like, to me, her " look at me ! All you BIP guys " promo. All Jmo.
Sorry about being OT.

mindless wrote:I'm just laughing at all the "Nick's missing out!" comments on her last pic. Because his chosen one is so unattractive in comparison. Doubt he feels like he lost out.

mindless wrote:

sdmom wrote:

coolangel wrote:Group of friends are bound to happen IMO. Not everyone will get along with everyone else IMO. My problem with this 'squad' is how they use their collective group to gang up on someone else IMO. If they just stuck together and celebrated their friendships, I would have no issue with them. Instead they go on with the 'There's 7 of us and only 7' kinda statement as if the others are not worthy of their friendship.

Here is one example: Raven's pic caption for Rachel had '#realrecognizesreal' as a hashtag. That is massive shade right there for no reason IMO. It's possible to cherish your friendships without belittling others IMO. I have zero respect for the ones who drag others in their pettiness who have taken the high road IMO.

All JMO

I haven't looked at Raven's IG for weeks but since you mentioned, I decided to check out. My first reaction seeing her multiple pics of her bikini and barely there bottom I was like what happened? It looks like, to me, her " look at me ! All you BIP guys " promo. All Jmo.
Sorry about being OT.

I'm just laughing at all the "Nick's missing out!" comments on her last pic. Because his chosen one is so unattractive in comparison. Doubt he feels like he lost out.

Newto wrote:OT -- JMHO but I think the WTA/MTA are just a waste of two hours.  The formula has become so predictable and boring.  I don't watch it and don't feel like I am missing anything.

TrishB wrote:There are group of friends, or girl squads, etc You can call it what you may, but this particular "squad" was completely mean & out of line IMO They made fun of Nick's dad, to the point of imitating him crying on the show when he spoke with Vanessa! And saying "I don't give a f***" right afterwards! Some people can tell me, until they are blue in the face all they want, that these other girls were not throwing shade or being mean to V & N (and his family) but the facts as seen on those IG stories speak for themselves! No doubt about it IMO
And then, there was the famous drawing a pic of a men's genitalea over Nick's body on the cover of a magazine, with an arrow pointing at him for "special effect" all in red! With all the members of the squad liking it! Geeez, what more proof does one require??
Let these petty & pathetic girls go have their little fun on BIP & make fools of themselves (if that is even possible!)
The only girls of the season that get a good pass for me are Taylor, Dominique, Danni M, and of course Vanessa