Nick Viall - Bachelor 21 - FRC - ATFR - Mar 13 - *Sleuthing Spoilers* - 2

Nick is doing DWts so any living situation is going to a little different for now than the couples that didn't go on the show and had already set a place to live right off the bat.

I think there are a lot of things up for grabs due their circumstances: DWTS, Canadian/USA, jobs. It's a hassle to settle in one place and decide you don't like it and pick up and move again. There isn't a hurry being its day one post show. I'm sure they will figure it out.

Has Nick ever said what his future goals are (other than DWTS)? Like a real job? Seems like a "pragmatist" (Sharleen's word, not mine. I don't see Nick as a pragmatist at all. But Sharleen knows Nick better than I ever will, so I defer to her word) would have some sort of plan. Vanessa seems willing to uproot her life and move to be with him. But, I'm confused as to what that entails exactly. Anyone?

I am neither a fan or a hater. I'm just a viewer sitting on the sidelines trying to understand 2 people that I do not know.

Apparently, he is trying to start a male grooming business. I do not know the details or anything other than that. I am sure one of the members that follow this more closely can fill you in.

What is a male grooming business. Excuse my ignorance.

Maybe I misunderstood but I thought Vanessa made clear in one of the interviews today (I think it was Live with Kelly I) that she will leave Montreal and move to US. And Nick followed that with saying he is sure there will be lots of visits to Montreal because her family is important to Vanessa.

Nick referred last night to "going through channels" which I took to mean visa issues for Vanessa to come to US. GA has explained before the rules on Canadian citizens only being allowed to leave Canada for a certain period of time.

That little mean girl squad is going to have to get out of their high school girl mentality soon, and it'll be ugly. They could've easily had their episode off social media, but they thrive on negativity and getting social media bullies to back them up. I'd be embarrassed to have them rooting for me, tbh. JMO.

Late to the party but about a few contestants not wishing the couple well...
My kids play sports. After every single game, win or lose, they have to acknowledge the other team and shake hands with every player and coaches. Is that kissing a$s? I don't think so. It's called good sportsmanship and being gracious. If a bunch of teenage boys can do so, why can't a supposedly mature accomplished 30 something woman do that?

First what I came for last night  Rachel the men.  I though it was a fun twist that energized an otherwise awkward night of tv.  Rachel looked gorgeous and handled a weird situation well.  Pumped for her season. And I LOVE her  infectious laugh and energy.  JMO.

My other thoughts:

CH and TPTB probably know things about the couple and were majorly fishing hoping to get some juicy drama or blow up out of Vanessa IMO.

Nick looked pissed and disengaged but he often does to me, could just be because Rachel was getting some of his spotlight though IMO.  That wouldn’t surprise me.

I like Vanessa from the early season eps I watched.  They hit us over the head with signs that this is a house of cards  (IMO) and maybe that's ok because IMO I think Vanessa seems awesome and really wanting a partner and I think she deserves so much better than moving to LA away from her close family ties to be with a self-absorbed, no-career fame chaser.  JMO.

If they're meant to be and turn out to happy together good for them.

Reading all the posts and thinking about how karma works, last year Nick was on social media and podcasts bashing Jojo & Jordan's relationship and the guys on her season, unfollowed Jojo who to my knowledge has not said one bad thing about him. Now he is having a taste of his own medicine and he is retweeting tweets that defends his relationship....

If these girls are truly wishing ill of Nick's relationship am just going to say Karma is a bitch.

Dessler wrote:Reading all the post and thinking about how karma works, last year Nick was on social media and podcasts bashing Jojo & Jordan's relationship and the guys on her season, unfollowed Jojo who to my knowledge has not said one bad thing about him. Now he is having a taste of what not being supportive feels and retweeting tweets that defends his relationship....

If these girls are truly wishing ill of Nick's relationship am just going to say Karma is a bitch.

FACTS! Nick talked CASH SH*T about Jojo/Jordan every chance he got. Sometimes he'd make outright statements and other times it was *wink wink nudge nudge* but he never passed up the opportunity to let it be known how he felt, negatively.

ETA: I just don't understand what makes V/N so special that they're somehow above the treatment that the final couple usually gets. **EDIT**At least these girls have kept it cute-ish and not put them directly on blast. All JMO.

MiaHawk wrote:What is a male grooming business. Excuse my ignorance.

Men's grooming products include things like facial washes, shaving cream, beard balm/oil. From early talk about it, it sounded like Birchbox for men which is a monthly box subscription.