Nick Viall - Bachelor 21 - FRC - ATFR - Mar 13 - *Sleuthing Spoilers* - 2

hae1001 wrote:Finally caught up on the finale, nick and vanessa will not last IMO. Even dana weiss said so during her periscopes that they werent getting married. Just bad vibes all around on the atfr as well imo. And i dont think rachel owes vanessa anything. She wasnt there for vanessa, she was there for Nick. Vanessa is insignificant to her life imo.

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Amethyst wrote:Hello, everyone! I'm emerging from my little snow cave over on the unspoiled side. I can't say that I'm in the least surprised that Nick picked Vanessa. She seemed like a front-runner early on, and the probable pick for perhaps the last third of the season. I loved Raven from the get-go and was pleased to see her make it so far.

So congratulations to the happy couple. I think that Nick got exactly what he wanted, which is a passionate, strong-willed, opinionated woman who is not a pushover. Whether that is what will make him happy in the long run remains to be seen. But at least he will get his chance to try to make it work.

As for the Rachel/Vanessa situation -- one thing that struck me about Rachel during the season is that she made a concerted effort to stay out of the Corinne drama when the majority of the house was upset with her. Now there are a number of reasons why she could have done that, but my vibe at the time was that Rachel had a "not my circus, not my monkeys" attitude about it. She knew no good could come of getting involved. So that colors my view of whatever went down between Rachel and Vanessa. My take is that Rachel would not have sought trouble, and would only have "gone there" under great provocation.

My take on Vanessa is that she fell hard for Nick early on, and that this raised a lot of insecurities within her. I think this colored her later interactions with her fellow housemates. She didn't seem to take kindly to any threats of competition from the other women. I could easily see her lashing out at someone that she perceived as a threat to her relationship with Nick.

I also think that Rachel has no desire to be two-faced. So instead of saying something negative about Vanessa, she said nothing.

All of this is JMO, of course, and based on observation combined with a fair amount of speculation.

Max64 wrote:

hae1001 wrote:Finally caught up on the finale, nick and vanessa will not last IMO. Even dana weiss said so during her periscopes that they werent getting married. Just bad vibes all around on the atfr as well imo. And i dont think rachel owes vanessa anything. She wasnt there for vanessa, she was there for Nick. Vanessa is insignificant to her life imo.

I always find it amusing how everyone knows what's going to happen with a couple more the the actual couple does.  Maybe Nick and Vanessa will make it, maybe they won't, the only ones to know the answer to that is the couple themselves, and time.

I personally think they have a decent shot at lasting.  I'm basing my opinion on their excellent communication skills, and that they're realistic the challenges they face, like coming out of the bachelor bubble, moving, etc.  Time will tell, but I wish them well, they make such a beautiful couple.

Alanna wrote:Rach doesn't like V for whatever reason idk, why in the world does she need to say anything regarding her? She didn't trash her and that's all the graciousness I needed anyway.

hae1001 wrote:@quietpal i never said it justified my opinion. I was just pointing out that even people that actually know nick and are friends with him are saying the relationship is not leading to marriage and that this was essentially all nicks ticket to dwts.