Raven Gates - Bachelor 21 - Discussion - #2

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I want to clarify. I live in New Jersey. Much of New Jersey is nice just like any other state. It's called the Garden State for a reason. However, there are also not nice parts like any other state, also. All JMOAA
She is a swamp lizard. From now on that will be my nickname for her. Swampie and the swamp squad.

Oh I'm sorry , but just seems like she is the jersey shore kind of girl.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] That's the sad thing about reality tv. It dummied down the entire Jersey shore from D grade/low class celebs. That area was Seaside and Seaside Hghts. Like high school prom and pretty sleazy.
Much of the shore is gorgeous. Check out Cape May, NJ. It's all old victorian. Spring Lake, Brielle, Stone Harbor are all lovely places.
I don't know what Alexis is except for what she appears...low intelligence and common. JMO

Can someone post Raven IG story on here to see what Alexis said

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] don't know how to save a snapchat video
do you have snapchat ? you can follow her , she also said it on her IG story too.

But after raven was like stop being ratchet, alexis said why we aren't on bachelor anymore bitches, and then jasmine said **** that. These girls don't care about bachelor nation at all i don't think they deserve to be on BIP
I mesaged elan on twitter and said he should look at her stories and see what these girls are doing and saying about the show.

Kashathediva wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] That's the sad thing about reality tv. It dummied down the entire Jersey shore from D grade/low class celebs. That area was Seaside and Seaside Hghts. Like high school prom and pretty sleazy.
Much of the shore is gorgeous. Check out Cape May, NJ. It's all old victorian. Spring Lake, Brielle, Stone Harbor are all lovely places.
I don't know what Alexis is except for what she appears...low intelligence and common. JMO

Her behaviour is tacky and stupid and full of herself, but it wouldn't bother me quite so much if she showed one wit of appreciation for Nick. Does she not realise that if he didn't go along with the joke about her stupid dolphin/shark get up, she wouldn't be where she is now? If he had just ignored her and sent her home night one ... she like Kristina ... could be crying "You didn't give me a chance!" and nobody would remember her. Instead, Nick recognized the effort and nerve it took to put herself out there and gave her multiple roses and an opportunity to shine. Least she could do would be to be polite or at least zip it and say nothing instead of mocking his fiancée and his dad. True colours always shine through and I am disappointed in this one more than anyone other than Rachel.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] couldn't agree more, all the girls are cheering on rachel and not vanessa. yes alexis made a tweet to vanessa but she said it way after the proposal. Also with the producers they are all posting pictures with raven but not vanessa, the only one that did is élan but the two girl producers both posted photos of raven.

Back to Raven - I like Raven and thought she handled herself well last night. She also seemed to be a producer favorite - for whatever that is worth.

As far as going back to law school, she seems to enjoy her boutique business and living close to family, so I think she's happy with her choice.

Was one Raven's handler? That could be why. There are multiple people in production, so I am sure Raven, Nick and Vanessa has multiple friends.
Regardless, I don't know if I would want to be friends with any of them. Remember these are the same people that foster trust and then feed you to the wolves.

cmarci93 wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] couldn't agree more, all the girls are cheering on rachel and not vanessa. yes alexis made a tweet to vanessa but she said it way after the proposal. Also with the producers they are all posting pictures with raven but not vanessa, the only one that did is élan but the two girl producers both posted photos of raven.

I don't really care what the producers post. Some do and some don't. It could also be because who their handlers were. Elan is the one I appreciate congratulating N&V. I think he and Nick have really gotten to know one another over the years and have come to appreciate each other for their own unique way of looking at things. I think Elan is a very smart man and I think he appreciates an equal in Nick and now Vanessa.

Did Alexis tweet a congratulations to N & V? If so, I find that so two faced. Mock them on one hand, but try to cover your bases just in case you need them later. They are lucky that Nick is good at handling negativity. I suspect V on her own would not be as nice and might go into attack mode to protect those she loves. Can't wait for their bus on BIP. I hope it's as nice as the one that came for Josh.

Has Raven been a part of these silly squad SM doings? Thus far, she seems to have stayed out of the fray and handled things pretty diplomatically, but I may have missed something. I hope for her sake that continues. Unlike the rest of the squad, she seems to have a career to go back to and a business that she has established, that can only profit from the public forum she is getting from being on the show.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] yea i think its two faced for alexis also but she's doing it to get fans

and yes I'm starting to think raven was shying away from the drama at first but whenever raven drinks she starts to say stuff or act a different way.

in the past 24 hours the girls have played this one song over and over and over , its called how many f**ks? by erika jayne and it has played about 20 times already.  I think its towards nick bc she's mad.

I am sorry, but IMO all these girls, including Raven, need a reality check: They are not famous! Raven really disappointed me, she may not be saying things directly but she is certainly contributing to the fire... Nick NEVER thought of Raven as his possible F1, not even remotely IMO
Lets see how they fend on BIP. Raven needs to either stop insinuating things on the FS happened, or just say what exactly did happen. So very immature IMO