Vanessa Grimaldi - Bachelor 21 - *Sleuthing Spoilers* #5

Catdwoman50 wrote:@ReneeM, I finally agree with you.  The report was bad for both parties.  If that was aired the look would have been bad for both Vanessa and Rachel.  Seems like Rachel believed Vanessa was two-faced, but it also seems like Rachel was also queen bitch, mean girl lead - no one should like Vanessa because she is a tattle tale.  I say that because she could have taken the high road when Vanessa approached her.   And now after the show, the squad is still at it - that is passive bullying.  (Shaking my head).

When I say I understand both sides, I literally mean I understand both sides without thinking one's the bad guy over the other. Rachel didn't like how Vanessa operated in her opinion, so she avoided her and distanced herself. That's not bullying in my opinion and that's how I operate. I have a group of friends, there's one girl in that group that did something to me that I considered to be f-cked up, and I don't talk to her anymore. We're literally in the same group of friends, are always in the same space, her bf's one of my very good friends, and I think she's a snake so I don't talk to her, and it's been like 2-3 years. So I don't think she did anything wrong. On the other hand, Vanessa seems like a very sensitive girl so I can see how this might come off as ostracization to her. But as someone who's similar to Rachel, any hope that the conversation would end amicably was gone as soon as Vanessa told Rachel she had spoken to Nick before speaking to her. JMO.

GuardianAngel wrote:

ericbutterfly wrote:snipped..

Besides the fact that Rachel hangs with girls who are called the "squad" which was merely the girls she got along with best in the house including Astrid, Whitney, Alexis, Raven, Sarah, etc... and Vanessa posting pics with her Danielle M, and Taylor. What evidence do we actually have that they are still holding a grudge? I have not seen Rachel slander Vanessa in public and I have never seen Vanessa slander Rachel in public.

I also don't think we should throw around the word "bullying" without evidence beyond what RS reported about a disagreement the ladies had which doesn't make either look bad IMO.

Rachel posted an IG story the other day that said she doesn't like Vanessa, paraphrasing, for all SM to hear.

I think she means she didn't hear it for herself so it's hearsay/speculation? And wasn't it Alexis's story or am I mistaken?

lexforlife wrote:I  still can't get over  why these ladies were bickering, over Nick?  Okay, then.

@lexforlife

bleuberry wrote:

GuardianAngel wrote:

ericbutterfly wrote:snipped..

Besides the fact that Rachel hangs with girls who are called the "squad" which was merely the girls she got along with best in the house including Astrid, Whitney, Alexis, Raven, Sarah, etc... and Vanessa posting pics with her Danielle M, and Taylor. What evidence do we actually have that they are still holding a grudge? I have not seen Rachel slander Vanessa in public and I have never seen Vanessa slander Rachel in public.

I also don't think we should throw around the word "bullying" without evidence beyond what RS reported about a disagreement the ladies had which doesn't make either look bad IMO.

Rachel posted an IG story the other day that said she doesn't like Vanessa, paraphrasing, for all SM to hear.

I think she means she didn't hear it for herself so it's hearsay/speculation? And wasn't it Alexis's story or am I mistaken?

Maybe it was Alexis, because I folloow Rachel on IG and I remember watching her story and it was just hanging with the girls... Nothing negative or nasty, that's why I was confused on the slander people were speaking of.

For those that didn't go to RS site this is the continuation.
Source my SC of RS post

ericbutterfly wrote:

bleuberry wrote:

GuardianAngel wrote:

Rachel posted an IG story the other day that said she doesn't like Vanessa, paraphrasing, for all SM to hear.

I think she means she didn't hear it for herself so it's hearsay/speculation? And wasn't it Alexis's story or am I mistaken?

Maybe it was Alexis, because I folloow Rachel on IG and I remember watching her story and it was just hanging with the girls... Nothing negative or nasty, that's why I was confused on the slander people were speaking of.

It was not a story, Rachel and Alexis went live of IG and Rachel said she doesn't like Vanessa

Sorry it wasn't an IG story it was IG live. If you follow Rachel you would've gotten a notification.

ericbutterfly wrote:

bleuberry wrote:

GuardianAngel wrote:

Rachel posted an IG story the other day that said she doesn't like Vanessa, paraphrasing, for all SM to hear.

I think she means she didn't hear it for herself so it's hearsay/speculation? And wasn't it Alexis's story or am I mistaken?

Maybe it was Alexis, because I folloow Rachel on IG and I remember watching her story and it was just hanging with the girls... Nothing negative or nasty, that's why I was confused on the slander people were speaking of.

It was an IG Live on Alexis' instagram, they were doing a little Q&A, They were asked if they like Vanessa, Rachel said no, I'm still unsure if Alexis said no too because I didn't actually watch it. Just know the highlights from what other members have recapped.

IMO Many girls have done snitching this season. Was Raven telling Nick about Corinne not being able to wash a spoon not snitching? Half of the girls there warned him about her. That is snitching IMO. But since it was about Corinne who is the supposed 'villain', no on batted an eye. Raven has been friends with Corinne since then. It happens every season IMO. What's the big deal? Nick IMO was a lead who didn't care who said what - even Vanessa. Otherwise Corinne wouldn't have made F4 IMO after the week 2 confrontation.

This fight was such a let-down. Much ado about nothing IMO. I can see both sides in this scenario when it happened. But now 3 months later, holding onto something this petty is ridiculous IMO. Honestly, the ganging up on her and bullying which Vanessa supposedly mentioned during the fight is something I see happening even now on SM from some of the girls on the show. It's subtle but it's there IMO.

All JMO.

ericbutterfly wrote:

GuardianAngel wrote:

ericbutterfly wrote:snipped..

Besides the fact that Rachel hangs with girls who are called the "squad" which was merely the girls she got along with best in the house including Astrid, Whitney, Alexis, Raven, Sarah, etc... and Vanessa posting pics with her Danielle M, and Taylor. What evidence do we actually have that they are still holding a grudge? I have not seen Rachel slander Vanessa in public and I have never seen Vanessa slander Rachel in public.

I also don't think we should throw around the word "bullying" without evidence beyond what RS reported about a disagreement the ladies had which doesn't make either look bad IMO.

Rachel posted an IG story the other day that said she doesn't like Vanessa, paraphrasing, for all SM to hear.

I didn't see that. That is unfortunate and not very classy IMO. Is that IG story still up?

I feel this season, the girls are acting like they are in High School. You have the most Popular girl ( Rachel ) who does't like a girl because she must be threaten by her (vanessa). And then all the other girls backing her up because hey she is the BAchelorette now...they can be seen everywhere. They are just milking their 15 minutes of fame. And holding a grudge all this time for what RS reported, that shows me a side of Rachel I don't like. Someone who hold grudges. I'm still #teamvanessa and even more now !!

bleuberry wrote:Sorry it wasn't an IG story it was IG live. If you follow Rachel you would've gotten a notification.

I do follow her but I usually ignore the IG live stuff because some of my friends do it too often and my phone isn't always by me ... I am bummed I missed that one though. Thanks for clearing it up guys.

ericbutterfly wrote:I do wonder though, if all these "two faced" antics that RS speaks of were shown on the show, and Vanessa was edited or portrayed as a snitch that acted nice to the girls then ran to Nick, if all of us would be singing a different tune or if this disagreement would still be considered petty to us?

See, my POV, I don't believe Vanessa is all that ... because she has shown to be a straight-shooter, to the point of being   "not so likeable", because she can "accuse", "be very strict in her judgments" (Nick experienced that on several occasions and I've read posts about her scolding him) - all IMO ... so what I've seen is exactly the opposite of what "someone" wants "me" to believe. I do think Vanessa isn't an easy character, she can say things that can be hurtful and insensitive to hear, she can think to be right when she might not be (because it's all about the perception), but she says them even to their face - IMO/judging from the footage - and she's a grown-up woman, capable to admit own faults and to apologize - IMO/assuming based on her similarity with Nick's character ... who BTW was "accused" multiple times to be manipulative, so another match made in "immoral behavior"

"Run to Nick" ... It's not like Nick then went and scolded the girls, did he? Or do people think that she influenced Nick's opinion with her own "agenda"? - I sure hope so, that she was an influence to him (as in couples I think it's likely to happen) ... but Nick is very capable to think and act as he pleases. So I think his decisions, are his responsibility.