Nick Viall - Bachelor 21 - Episode 4 Jan 23 - *Sleuthing Spoilers*

@Norcalgal I think Raven should take the stiletto to Corinne's head next time she falls asleep/naps during the RC. Why make an RC a second longer because a cast is selfish?

Kashathediva wrote:@Norcalgal I think Raven should take the stiletto to Corinne's head next time she falls asleep/naps during the RC. Why make an RC a second longer because a cast is selfish?

LOL Too true. I am sorry, but Corrine's story is beyond over!

Someone needs to give her a surprise mohawk while she is sleeping. IMO

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mizzoufan wrote: It seems like Nick almost smirking while he's talking to Vanessa

IMO, he smirks a lot which I don't like as it comes across as disingenuous

I think that's his reaction when he's slightly uncomfortable or feeling awkward. That said, I watched the scene I don't think he was smirking. He looked a little stressed, especially when she told him he could take the rose back. There was a slight smile when he said he wanted her to be honest, even when she's pissed and wants to hit him, but Vanessa smiled then too. That was actually a moment that felt like watching a real couple have an argument but they can't stay mad too long because they adore each other.

I've already seen a ton of comparisons between Raven and JoJo on social media.

I remember when JoJo was filming her season CH did an interview where he was asked why they decided to not go the diversity route and he said that the show executives decided that you simply can't pick someone because they fill a quota for you. He said they have to pick the fan favorite and the person who will be the best lead. I don't see how it can be anyone but Raven unless they have Rachel really break out starting next week. IMO.

Most seasons are boring for me in the beginning because the "villain" just takes over the first half of the season, but I can't believe Corinne is going to be on until pretty close to the end. That's unfortunate IMO.

Having a fight with the F1 (allegedly) probably won't help.

Especially depending on how its edited.

Comparing previous F3 edits to Rachel, it's totally opposite of what we saw with Kaitlyn and Caila. My opinion while sleuthing and during the New Orleans date plus after epi 1 she was not in contention for the next 'ette, never was, especially after Millsy's comment of comparing the next lead to Kaitlyn.

I'm not sure where that spoiler came from but I don't see Rachel being the next lead at all. Raven's date was perfect in every friend zone way possible.

I can't with Corinne. Afterbuzz were raving about her, but to me she's boring. She lacks charm, IMO, and any warmth, she's just selfish and shallow. I would've loved it, if all the ladies dropped their shovels, snd refused to shovel sh*t. Nick doesn't live in a farm anyway, it had nothing to do with him. All of them should've walked away from the rose ceremony to nap.

I love Raven, IMO she has the bette gig. Not to put down any of the other ladies, IMO they just don't have the IT factor a lead needs to have.

Vanessa was great calling out Nick. If he decides to straddle a girl during a pool party where every other girl can see it, he deserves the criticism. IMO he loved Vanessa calling him out, and all her points made sense to him.

Cocoasneeze wrote:I can't with Corinne. Afterbuzz were raving about her, but to me she's boring. She lacks charm, IMO, and any warmth, she's just selfish and shallow. I would've loved it, if all the ladies dropped their shovels, snd refused to shovel sh*t. Nick doesn't live in a farm anyway, it had nothing to do with him. All of them should've walked away from the rose ceremony to nap.

I love Raven, IMO she has the bette gig. Not to put down any of the other ladies, IMO they just don't have the IT factor a lead needs to have.

Vanessa was great calling out Nick. If he decides to straddle a girl during a pool party where every other girl can see it, he deserves the criticism. IMO he loved Vanessa calling him out, and all her points made sense to him.

Do you think TPTB tells them to do that or do they really like that type of BS?  I agree.  The ladies should have called BS and dropped their shovels and went in for a nap.

So, after Taylor is cut, then what? Do we still have the Corrine show?

It's probably going to be the Corrine "redemption arc" they kept talking about that we will see and making Vanessa the new mini villain and her connection with Nick not so evident anymore I guess.

I can't imagine any real redemption after watching TPTB zoom in (for more minutes than most dates get!!) chomping with mouth open like a cow on those mini bites. The smacking and munching was worse IMO than the pizza clown last season on BIP.

I'm going to say it and maybe it'll change after her 1 on 1 but I don't like Rachel as much as I thought I would before the season started to air. I find her standoffish and boring.