Bachelor 21 - Nick Viall - Media SM Vids - Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers* #4

I don't think there will ever be a Bach lead who will ride off into the sunset outside of this show and don't expect them to.

Sean, Ben, they all have done multiple TV shows post-lead. They likely will continue to do so. Nothing different here to see, IMO.

I like Nick fine. Do I think he is coming on these shows to find love of his life...

I truly believe he fell hard for Andi and she broke his heart...blindsided him cause he (like me) could never see an educated gal like Andi picking toothy dufus Josh.

Then he got smart, figured he could make a career out of this franchise and here we are. Smart guy.

Are any of them on this show to find the love of their life?
IMO, no. It's a TV show. They are ALL the same to me whether they do find love or not.
That's why I think it's hilarious when Nick is seen as worse than any of the others or than his contestants.
They're all there for themselves/fame/SM followers/TV time/shilling, etc.
If they find love great. But to me that's a bonus and not guaranteed or expected.

What matters most to me is that they don't whine or complain incessantly along the way regarding their edit or the opportunities (or lack thereof) this show has given them  

crunchycheeto wrote:Yeah, I don't see how the women can feel shafted after the fact. They could have made the decision to leave when they found out it was Nick before taping even began. They could've left at any point on the show if they weren't feeling it or if they came to the conclusion that they weren't attracted to him. Yet none - not one! - of them did. They stayed, either because they liked him and wanted to see where it went. Or they stayed because longevity = more SM followers = more shilling opportunities. Whatever their reasons, I don't think these women felt shafted at all.

And some of them do get a do-over. It's called Bachelor in Paradise.

JMO.

And wasn't it reported by Bogger Boy that women wanted to leave and were talked off the ledge? Whatever happened to that? I have not seen hide nor hair of any truth in that.

And now to address the 800 lb gorilla in the room

Alanna wrote:

GuardianAngel wrote:

Thanks for that! Considering according to another forum, we are apparently Nick and Vanessa lovers, the same forum that copies and pastes posts from here, maybe they'll see this one. Maybe they weren't around for the Nick .1 and Nick.2 hate.

Idk-to be frank, part of the reason I don't post much in these Bach threads is definitely because it's overwhelming Nick fans, which is totally fine/not my business/not my forum and I don't know anything going on with the copying and pasting from the other forum, but that statement is at least is 100% valid from my seat, IMO.

These are discussion threads. Everyone has a right to express their opinion or POV as long as the are within forum rules.
This situation goes on every freaking season. Every. Single. One.
And Every Single Season there are members who become distressed and feel they can't rationally discuss because a) the members are too Debby Downer b) the members are mating with unicorns and are farting rainbows.
This is being said by someone born without the fan gene. I  don't understand the overwhelming love for any of these people. As of yet, none of them have guaranteed me a long, healthy life, stress free with all bills paid and a 2nd home to vacation. I am not expecting that.
But if all 7200+ members want to fan--that is fine with me.  That is not going to inhibit me from discussing. I am encouraging others to post as they feel comfortable.  It is a discussion thread.
We have a full menu of different topics on this forum and are open to adding new topics.

Did Liarboy state how whiney the girls were because they weren't the chosen F1? Did he mention Kristina who was pi$$ed Nick didn't give her a chance.

Funny, the bogus info was Kristina was probably the F1 and her family and friends were so happy considering she was adopted at a young age from Russia.

JMO, insanity was doing TB show(s)... DWTS is a piece of cake (and I'm not its usual viewer, but I respect the effort people have to put into), it's money and "the edit" is on "him" ... it's not the personal relationships being shredded, but his "moves" ... and there is no "leading on", not in terms of having to fake, lie, pretend and play interested in another person ... but on the dance floor he will have to make an illusion with his partner and I think Peta is a "safe" choice.

About whole "moving" and "not being together" issues ... long distance and with little personal time on their disposal ... I've just read about prince Harry ... he was born into "a reality show", now he dates an American actress who works in Canada (smth like that), both have their responsibilities and obligations on different sides of the pond, he sure has grown since his wild days ... and people are curious, when do those 2 have ever time to be together, which holidays are spent apart...  but they try to make it work... so if it's meant to be, I can't see a problem for some "ordinary people" too.

http://www.lifeandstylemag.com/posts/the-bachelor-finale-nick-125985

I really don't know what to make of this article? I thought Vanessa was it from day dot

I take it ... as I took Desiree's season ... one was real "love", the other one was infatuation, but even that sounds ridiculous, it would be more believable if F2 was Rachel ... but Raven, nah, I call it BS, like many other BSs throughout the season.

Also, I've seen Ashley I talk about HTDs of all women, and she said Nick was down after Vanessa's family grilling, that it was all over his face ... but that's actually not true - IMO - since Nick walked out of both families' houses smiling ... it was Vanessa who was down.

It's convenient to turn things around and attribute it to him to support the idea that he isn't into anyone and not really in "it" to be engaged - IMO ... such a BS.

happygolucky wrote:I take it ... as I took Desiree's season ... one was real "love", the other one was infatuation, but even that sounds ridiculous, it would be more believable if F2 was Rachel ... but Raven, nah, I call it BS, like many other BSs throughout the season.

Also, I've seen Ashley I talk about HTDs of all women, and she said Nick was down after Vanessa's family grilling, that it was all over his face ... but that's actually not true - IMO - since Nick walked out of both families' houses smiling ... it was Vanessa who was down.

It's convenient to turn things around and attribute it to him to support the idea that he isn't into anyone and not really in "it" to be engaged - IMO ... such a BS.

Well he did say last night to MeAndi that he wouldn't just be engaged because she was the last one standing. So we are still getting the is he/isn't he, is she/isn't she edit.

Yes. And I also think that Nick got "his medicine" very early on in his BN experience ... with the plane video/spoiler ... he has become wiser and also more "prudent" but at the same time "daring" when it comes to media and SM/spoilers ... he knows how to "play game" of keeping it "hush, hush" ... he's learned how to "not expose" while still be honest - all IMO.

So when I see all these "is he alone and heartbroken?" or "he hasn't been in it at all, so whatever the finale it won't last" ... I remember - JMO - him being silent for few days post FRC (and he didn't stay "silent" after his exit in the past), happy post show, satisfied almost (and in previous seasons he implied in his posts how he actually felt), also there have been SHVs sleuthed, so I assume he walked with a woman ... engaged? - well, I don't see Vanessa accepting to be just a "girlfriend to try, because he isn't sure of if this is it" (to f*** around and not be serious) and neither would her family be so supportive and happy IMO if she wasn't properly "respected", so I assume they are engaged ... so that leaves the option: they will broke up or have already ... and the media is jumping to that conclusion. I don't jump before checking how deep is the water .. and I see it's shallow.

LeapofFaith wrote:http://www.lifeandstylemag.com/posts/the-bachelor-finale-nick-125985

I really don't know what to make of this article? I thought Vanessa was it from day dot

Not sure L&S is really a fan of N. Have you read the article about Nick wherein they say his job is shilling products like Dyson coz he's sitting beside one and a dog? A big shade I believe. So Nick will have a rough time but I think it is more likely that he can empathize Re being an F2 and having his heart broken on national TV, twice. Doing it to someone else I'm sure was not easy for him. I don't think they can print this fact as it would be giving away the ending.

1) it's Life &Style so for me, huge eye roll and grain of salt. 2) they basically described a generic overview of every other finale. Never have I viewed a finale of this show or a preview of the finale where it was ever written "he/she was only into one person the whole time and the choice was super easy." That doesn't in their minds sell.