Raven Gates - Bachelor 21 - *Sleuthing Spoilers*

Her ex cheated on her, and from the video I watched of him doing an interview, he seems like a tool IMO so I doubt Raven's gonna censor herself to spare his feelings. All JMO.

ReneeM wrote:Her ex cheated on her, and from the video I watched of him doing an interview, he seems like a tool IMO so I doubt Raven's gonna censor herself to spare his feelings. All JMO.

How do we know her ex cheated on her? From Raven's story? That's just one side, he's unable to tell his side at all. She seems really vindictive, so I actually take her story with a grain of salt. IMO.

I side eye anyone going to the show snd shaming their ex. It's petty, and always tells only one side of the story, with the contestant having a viewership of millions to hear their side. JMO.

Yes I know there are two sides to every story, but I don't think she lied that he cheated. He might have his reasons, maybe the relationship wasn't all that great to begin with, but I seriously doubt Raven made up that he cheated. JMO.

Personally I have no clue if she lied or not, I'm not going to believe her word just because she told her story on national TV. IMO she's shown herself to be petty enough with her stories about her ex.

^^^I like Raven but not impressed with story of beating her ex with shoe. If she is really going to tell Nick that she has never experienced the big O, and in any way implies that it is her ex fault, I am not going to enjoy that.

She needs to take responsibility and be more proactive, either on her own or with her partner, to help make that happen for herself. A little encouraging feedback, direction and handheld electronics can go a long long way. She has been reading too many romance novels if she thinks otherwise.

I'm a Nick fan and can I just say, I'm so thankful he treated her well.( in her opinion.) Heck she even got away with basically telling Nick, Corrine needs to go, FIRST! She's sly, that one.

She could've shared it as an insecurity. A lot of women actually feel super insecure about that stuff and think something's wrong with them.

I think Raven is an accomplished young woman with a unique sense of humor.  I also think that her muddy waters HTD showed her to be awkward and inexperienced in the womanly art of seduction so her big secret was foreshadowed in retrospect.
Was the doctor not only her first sexual partner but also her first "love"? If so then I am lenient because the first heartbreak IMO is the "craziest" because it's virgin territory with no frame of reference to draw coping skills from.  
IMO Raven needs more experience with men in order to learn her wants, needs, and what she herself has to offer.  I think part of transitioning to womanhood includes confidence in one's own sexuality.
Personally, I'm giving her a "pass" because she is where she is in life experience. No points for hitting below the belt though. It's not a statement the guy has a hope in hell of defending...ever.

Im sorry but they would raven tell nick that on national TV, thats something to say in the fantasy suite where there are no cameras.
I think with all this editing they have done they will probably cut out the never had an orgasm part and just say she had sex with one person. IMO

I am literally so embarrassed just reading about Raven's date. Girl, WHY would you announce this on national television!? Just...why?

reason wrote:I am sorry for Raven ex, seems like she has no filter.  This is public shaming.

She is shaming herself, too. What's next, the quantity and quality of orgasm? Or discussing her BM's?
There are some things best left to yourself and Im not just talking about tastefulness and TMI. I am also addressing being responsible for her own needs and not putting that on a man. This woman owns her own boutique for heaven's sake, so she knows how to stock the shelves with Jimmy Choo's, but can't clean her own pipes? Jeez Louise!
I'm embarrassed for her. Move into the 21st century sexually and out from the closet. JMOAA

ETA: could imagine her being the lead and having a group date to resolve this issue? Kind of a competition. TMI sorry.

if her and nick really did have sex bc of that reason that I'm disappointed in nick. Why else would they show raven leaving happy? Last time they did that was when nick and kaitlyn had sex and he left happy but she was sad.