Raven Gates - Bachelor 21 - *Sleuthing Spoilers*

Did Raven really say during her HTD ITM that she hasn't told Nick she loves him? I thought she did during the NOLA haunted house date.

2ndcampbell wrote:Did Raven really say during her HTD ITM that she hasn't told Nick she loves him? I thought she did during the NOLA haunted house date.

She did, but she kind of just blurted it out the first time. IMO, it didn't have much meaning to it. I took it to mean that she loved him because she found it adorable how he sang a song from The Little Mermaid. It's like a fleeting love for someone because they just did something cute. It didn't seem like she declared it because she loved him because of who he is as a person and as a potential husband.

So, technically, she did already say it. But I think it's important to keep in mind how she said it and what it was referring to.

crunchycheeto wrote:

2ndcampbell wrote:Did Raven really say during her HTD ITM that she hasn't told Nick she loves him? I thought she did during the NOLA haunted house date.

She did, but she kind of just blurted it out the first time. IMO, it didn't have much meaning to it. I took it to mean that she loved him because she found it adorable how he sang a song from The Little Mermaid. It's like a fleeting love for someone because they just did something cute. It didn't seem like she declared it because she loved him because of who he is as a person and as a potential husband.

So, technically, she did already say it. But I think it's important to keep in mind how she said it and what it was referring to.

I agree. It was sort of a in the moment 'I love how you' type thing. There's a reason why even her Mom knew what she was talking about.

Is it just me or is Raven throwing some friendly shade with that caption?

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I don't see it.

With the hashtags, I read it as Raven was dreaming about the bachelor and Rachel was dreaming about the bachelorette. All in good fun. JMO.

I know most people here are already convinced Raven is F2, but I think last night's IG stories confirmed it and (almost) put the F2/F3 speculation to rest. Raven wasn't at WTA, nor was she at the afterparty.

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We love us some Raven! She was precious enough to stop and take a picture with every one of her fans tonight:) [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] @ravennicolegates  by @[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

This is where Raven was last night.

Can I still hope she is the surprise F1? Or, for her sake, I should probably be glad if she is as currently believed, the F2.

2ndcampbell wrote:Did Raven really say during her HTD ITM that she hasn't told Nick she loves him? I thought she did during the NOLA haunted house date.

There was a post about that on the other page.  Yes, she technically said she loved him, but you have to take it in the context it was said and her Mother even knew what she was talking about.  Saying it in the context that it was, it's not the same as when saying you want to be intimate with that person/spend your life with them.

BTW, I think it's so funny how there sure are a ton of Raven/Luke pictures and they aren't even following each other!

I think Raven will be just fine. She is gorgeous and I wouldn't be surprised if some acting or modeling agency goes after her. JMHO.

beader wrote:Can I still hope she is the surprise F1?  Or, for her sake, I should probably be glad if she is as currently believed, the F2.  

IA, she could very well be a surprise F1. I've done this before - wanted someone to be F1 but in fact all the signs were there (especially looking back) for the other person to be F1, so who knows.