Bachelor 21 - Nick Viall - General Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers* #3

notarose wrote:

Lisa wrote:

mindless wrote:I also think he's overwhelmed at this point and I don't blame him. I find the ability to juggle 20+ women at the same time more of a warning sign than something worthy of praise. Plus the whole Liz situation must've been on his mind a lot, since it was sprung on him out of nowhere.

As for the whipped cream incident, I'm gonna have to wait and see. Sounds like he wasn't that enthusiastic if she returned to her room crying.

I have heard nothing about this..did Corrine bring whip cream to his room?

Corrine, Corrine, whip cream is so passé.  The girl is such a disappointment.

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So now there is a rumor going around thanks to some trash mag that a contestant is pregnant & Nick may be the father? Are they serious with this crap?

Lisa wrote:So now there is a rumor going around thanks to some trash mag that a contestant is pregnant & Nick may be the father? Are they serious with this crap?

Every season it seems either the lead (in case of the Bachelorette) or one of the contestants is supposedly pregnant.

One of these days it will be CH or Elan.

I write this post because I am a fan of Nick.  

I can see all the logical reasons why Nick may have chosen to allow Corrine to "be herself", but I have been disappointed that he did not choose to help her to "be her best self".  For a man that professes to be a strong supporter of women, he let me down this past week (and I'd guess this upcoming week too) by choosing to overlook Corrine's poor choices and inappropriate behavior.  Yes, I am disappointed that he insulted the dignity of the other women.  But even moreso that he ignored the wellbeing of a seemingly lost and immature young woman who used her sexuality to catch a man's attention.  Nick says that he stands for supporting women to be the best version of themselves but he did not do that for Corrine.  He did the opposite.  Instead of encouraging her to make positive life choices, he gave her attention for making all the wrong ones.  

Many posters have commented on the fact that Nick has appeared apathetic, withdrawn and not engaged in the "journey" up to this point.  I think this detachment to the women so far has drastically affected his ability to care about some of them enough to step up to the plate and confront the immature behavior occurring right under his nose.  So far I see Nick being content to just watch the drama unfold around him with no regard for the wellbeing of the most affected player ....Corrine.  And the reason for that is that he doesn't care enough about her to help her to be the best version of herself.  There's no empathy.  

I am hoping that as CH suggests, Nick wakes up and gets involved in his own season.  I am hoping that we get to see him start to care about the women and to have emotions and empathy towards them.  I am hoping that this leads him to see Corrine as more than just a prop villian and that he begins to care about her as a real person.  I am hoping that this will lead to Nick caring about her future and poor life decisions.  And maybe, just maybe he will help her to become a better version of herself instead of watching her make herself into a joke for yet another week.  

I write this post because I am a fan of Nick and I am hoping that he will be the "best self" he can be.

^^I don't think TBTB would want Nick to help her to be her best self even if he wanted too. I think they like dramatic train wrecks. Just look how much screen time Chad got. JMO

I for one think that a 24-year-old is responsible for her own actions and it is not up to Nick to try and parent her. I think he was just being the nice guy that he is by going along with her questionable actions. The last thing I would expect Nick, who's been preaching female empowerment for as long as I can remember, to do is publicly scold Corinne or make her feel bad about her actions even if it might be better in the long run. Refusing to go along with the photo shoot would've been embarrassing for her and the Nick I "know" wouldn't humiliate a woman he barely knows who's been nothing but nice to him. If it means holding her boobs for a minute, then so be it. I don't find it that big a deal. Giving her the rose was probably not the smartest move, since it's bound to encourage her, but I suspect it wasn't totally up to him. Or maybe he thought she'd actually calm down and stop trying so hard if she already had a rose. JMO.

Stacia620 wrote:^^I don't think TBTB would want Nick to help her to be her best self even if he wanted too. I think they like dramatic train wrecks. Just look how much screen time Chad got. JMO

I agree, TPTB wouldn't want Nick to help Corrine, but as he has said many times...TPTB don't make you do anything you don't want to. In fact, he said that as the Bachelor he was allowed to do whatever he wanted.

mindless wrote:I for one think that a 24-year-old is responsible for her own actions and it is not up to Nick to try and parent her. I think he was just being the nice guy that he is by going along with her questionable actions. The last thing I would expect Nick, who's been preaching female empowerment for as long as I can remember, to do is publicly scold Corinne or make her feel bad about her actions even if it might be better in the long run. Refusing to go along with the photo shoot would've been embarrassing for her and the Nick I "know" wouldn't humiliate a woman he barely knows who's been nothing but nice to him. If it means holding her boobs for a minute, then so be it. I don't find it that big a deal. Giving her the rose was probably not the smartest move, since it's bound to encourage her, but I suspect it wasn't totally up to him. Or maybe he thought she'd actually calm down and stop trying so hard if she already had a rose. JMO.

I agree that it is not Nick's job to parent Corrine.  It is her responsibility to make good choices on her own.  But I would argue that Nick is not being a nice guy to go along with her questionable actions.  A nice guy would encourage and empower her in a positive way to make more mature choices by being a better example. Much the way he helped Ashley I to avoid making such a huge fool of herself this past summer.  It's a fine line to walk... But I think Nick could have at least attempted it for Corrine's sake... If he actually did care about her.

Nick himself was all over Kaitlyn in a church on their first date and then proceeded to have sex with her with a camera crew outside their door. He's done his fair share of questionable things on this show, so I personally don't think he's got the leverage to act as an example to anyone. I would actually find it really condescending if he tried. Giving his good friend some tough love is a totally different situation IMO.

mindless wrote:Nick himself was all over Kaitlyn in a church on their first date and then proceeded to have sex with her with a camera crew outside their door. He's done his fair share of questionable things on this show, so I personally don't think he's got the leverage to act as an example to anyone. I would actually find it really condescending if he tried. Giving his good friend some tough love is a totally different situation IMO.

Yes I agree, Nick has done his fair share of questionable things on the show.  And I definitely would not recommend approaching the situation with a condescending tone.  More of an encouraging led by action type of example... With less nudity.  A fine line would need to be walked, but I think it is possible.  I don't think that it's hard to argue there are many other ways Nick could have played the situations with Corrine that would have lead to her acting empowered but with more maturity.  He is an intelligent man.  I think he could have figured it out.

OnePromise wrote:

mindless wrote:Nick himself was all over Kaitlyn in a church on their first date and then proceeded to have sex with her with a camera crew outside their door. He's done his fair share of questionable things on this show, so I personally don't think he's got the leverage to act as an example to anyone. I would actually find it really condescending if he tried. Giving his good friend some tough love is a totally different situation IMO.

Yes I agree, Nick has done his fair share of questionable things on the show.  And I definitely would not recommend approaching the situation with a condescending tone.  More of an encouraging led by action type of example... With less nudity.  A fine line would need to be walked, but I think it is possible.  I don't think that it's hard to argue there are many other ways Nick could have played the situations with Corrine that would have lead to her acting empowered but with more maturity.  He is an intelligent man.  I think he could have figured it out.

If Nick did try to do something along the lines of what you are suggesting @OnePromise he would not only have sounded condescending, but a hypocrite as well. It's all fine and well for us to dissect how he acted and what he should have done after we have mulled it over for a while. It's a lot more difficult to react when you find yourself totally caught off guard in that situation and have to think not only about how you will come across on tv (and you already have a reputation), how the others will react, what the producers are up to and how they can edit it all...and you have to react in seconds.

For all we know, he could have spoken to her later, but there is no way that drunken, spoiled brat would have listened to a word she said at that time. Maybe when she was sober, but I doubt it. She already thinks she is empowered and there is nothing wrong with her, after all her favourite Bette is Kaitlyn. I seriously doubt she would listen to her own family and friends, let alone a stranger who she has known for a few minutes at best...no matter how hot he is. That is a lose lose situation for Nick.