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Re: Bachelor 21 - Nick Viall - General Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers* #3
Moved from Corrine Olympios thread.
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Because we are all spoiled, our enjoyment comes in the analysis of the characters' motivations and whether their longevity in the show is due to the lead's direction or something else (does the contestant have the potential/charisma to be the next lead?). The plot is given to us, the script is written (how many dates, how many stay/go, who is a good villain and having them stay up through a certain epi, the next lead to make it far, the next lead to get a 1-1, etc.) so Nick's input is in the who gets to stay and who he wants more time with. Nick does not see what happens when he is not around so he is depending on the producers to give him feedback as to who should be there to make the season exciting and the story that is developing. So the main question we ask is (IMO), is he really there to find love?
So for those who love Nick (me included) I can go into it with blind faith and watch with tunnel vision, croon over his every interaction with F1, and refuse to watch his interaction with other women - I'm so guilty of this it's not even funny. This time around my loyalty is towards Nick, I really would like to see if he is the person I thought he is - honest to a fault, loyal, and kind. To answer my questions I am looking into the details so I can speculate on his motivations: who is he dating 1-1 early on, who is he not dating until later on in the show? What are his tells? And how does the show help provide hints to make me believe in a love story or the theme of the season? I want to believe at the end of this that Nick and his F1 will make it after the bubble burst - or maybe not.
Nick has been saying something about love... I will have to go back and find the interview about what he is going to show America. He's analyzed and been a part of this show long enough to know perhaps that we want a love story that will go the distance. I also want to see his redemption continue.
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Re: Bachelor 21 - Nick Viall - General Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers* #3
It's been a few days since my last conspiracy theory so I am back with another one
I noticed a mini discussion between Raven, Corinne and Rachel on one of Corinne's IG pics and thought it was interesting. Kristina didn't comment but liked their comments in the discussion.
Disclaimer: This is purely speculation on my part
I think they are calling someone out for crying for attention (CFA). Combining this and Rachel's comment of 'never forget' with the promo of Vanessa crying makes me think this was what the tiff between Rachel and Vanessa was about IMO.
IMO If that is what happened and If Raven and Rachel were so bothered by someone crying for attention according to them, I hope they were equally vocal about Corinne taking her top off for attention. It would be hypocritical otherwise IMO. Or maybe the attention seeking behavior is only troublesome when a true competitor does it?
All JMO and pure speculation with some overactive imagination
I noticed a mini discussion between Raven, Corinne and Rachel on one of Corinne's IG pics and thought it was interesting. Kristina didn't comment but liked their comments in the discussion.
Disclaimer: This is purely speculation on my part
I think they are calling someone out for crying for attention (CFA). Combining this and Rachel's comment of 'never forget' with the promo of Vanessa crying makes me think this was what the tiff between Rachel and Vanessa was about IMO.
IMO If that is what happened and If Raven and Rachel were so bothered by someone crying for attention according to them, I hope they were equally vocal about Corinne taking her top off for attention. It would be hypocritical otherwise IMO. Or maybe the attention seeking behavior is only troublesome when a true competitor does it?
All JMO and pure speculation with some overactive imagination
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Re: Bachelor 21 - Nick Viall - General Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers* #3
Well and I guess to add to your speculation, RS first reported that on the group date where the losing team had to go back to the hotel, the women on the losing team cried so much, Nick kept them all. In his episode by episode spoilers, he revealed that Vanessa was one of the people on that losing team.
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Re: Bachelor 21 - Nick Viall - General Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers* #3
I tend to agree. Let me add to your conspiracy theory that the attention-seeker cried and threatened to leave causing Nick (I think I said on another thread) pulling a Mesnick except he took action right away - didn't wait to finish the season to chase his F1. So this can provide clarity re his choices f4-f2.coolangel wrote:IMO If that is what happened and If Raven and Rachel were so bothered by someone crying for attention according to them, I hope they were equally vocal about Corinne taking her top off for attention. It would be hypocritical otherwise IMO. Or maybe the attention seeking behavior is only troublesome when a true competitor does it?
Need to do something productive and stop hanging out in this forum (after Nick's season)
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@coolangel I like you pure speculation!
I remember Nick's thoughts about Jojo's f4 that if they truly had strong feelings for her, they couldn't be buddy buddy with each other because they all competed for the same woman. IF there's a rivalry between Rachel and Vanessa, I would like to think both really developed strong feelings for him and that contributed to their rivalry/tiff.
I like both women so far so I am not going to take sides, yet.
I remember Nick's thoughts about Jojo's f4 that if they truly had strong feelings for her, they couldn't be buddy buddy with each other because they all competed for the same woman. IF there's a rivalry between Rachel and Vanessa, I would like to think both really developed strong feelings for him and that contributed to their rivalry/tiff.
I like both women so far so I am not going to take sides, yet.
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Re: Bachelor 21 - Nick Viall - General Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers* #3
I like the theory so far. The volleyball teams that lead to the crying girls were as follows:
Winners - Raven, Corrine and Rachel
Losers - Vanessa, Danielle M and Jasmine
The preview shows Vanessa and Danielle in tears so I'd buy that the other girls saw them as attention seeking. But heck it worked. They got his attention and he let them all stay.
Nice work! Looking forward to all the drama.
Winners - Raven, Corrine and Rachel
Losers - Vanessa, Danielle M and Jasmine
The preview shows Vanessa and Danielle in tears so I'd buy that the other girls saw them as attention seeking. But heck it worked. They got his attention and he let them all stay.
Nice work! Looking forward to all the drama.
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Re: Bachelor 21 - Nick Viall - General Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers* #3
But Nick forgets, not all rivalries are out in the open. Calculating/manipulative individuals will keep their enemies closersdmom wrote:I remember Nick's thoughts about Jojo's f4 that if they truly had strong feelings for her, they couldn't be buddy buddy with each other because they all competed for the same woman....
Need to do something productive and stop hanging out in this forum (after Nick's season)
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Re: Bachelor 21 - Nick Viall - General Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers* #3
OnePromise wrote:I like the theory so far. The volleyball teams that lead to the crying girls were as follows:
Winners - Raven, Corrine and Rachel
Losers - Vanessa, Danielle M and Jasmine
The preview shows Vanessa and Danielle in tears so I'd buy that the other girls saw them as attention seeking. But heck it worked. They got his attention and he let them all stay.
Nice work! Looking forward to all the drama.
It's also been pointed out that Danielle M. is one of the few women from the season who seems friendly with Vanessa. She's commented on Vanessa's IG with really friendly and warm comments. Will be interesting to see what happens but I have to say, I got a slight, "cliquish/mean girls" vibe from the comments.
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Re: Bachelor 21 - Nick Viall - General Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers* #3
@lleyki - same here (and I so liked Rachel) uggh
Need to do something productive and stop hanging out in this forum (after Nick's season)
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Yeah I'm not into that catty bitchfest in the comments. I don't care if Vanessa or whomever they were referring to was the villain or a crier or an attention seeker. JMO.
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Re: Bachelor 21 - Nick Viall - General Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers* #3
I would like to think, that being bored, being manipulated by TPTB and the hamburger theory all helps encourage cattiness among even the best of saints. After all it makes for better tv.
There have been seasons where the lead is not attached other than "like" to any of the cast other than the F1. Editing can come into play to indicate more, but the plain and simple is in some situations there is little there with the other cast people other than like.
Should that be the case, the lead will be more likely to acquiesce to the one he is most attracted to(his F1). This is never taken well by the rest of the cast. How could it?
There have been seasons where the lead is not attached other than "like" to any of the cast other than the F1. Editing can come into play to indicate more, but the plain and simple is in some situations there is little there with the other cast people other than like.
Should that be the case, the lead will be more likely to acquiesce to the one he is most attracted to(his F1). This is never taken well by the rest of the cast. How could it?
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Let me get this straight? Noone knows what they are talking about and it is a bitchfest? Interesting!!!!!
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