Bachelor Australia - Season 4 - Richie Strahan - Social Media - Media - *Sleuthing - Spoilers* #2

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Interesting article!

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Interesting the girls stating Nikki and Richie kissing all the time?? Wondering if they personally witnessed this or if Nikki was telling the girls? IMO this ties into Olena and Faith being insecure in their connections. Kiki and Faith discussing how confident Nikki and Alex were with their relationships. Olena, Steph and forgotten her name already also discussed this when talking about emotions. Olena also commented to Richie that she was focussed on the other girls relationships and forgetting about theirs. IMO Kiki would not be the only one frustrated by the editing of the program.

^ Nikki never told the girls about her first kiss so it may be just talk or they saw something as well? Hard to say, but it is interesting since on the show the girls said that Nikki was potential winner/the one and that there was Richie and Nikki and then Richie and the other girls and Richie always taking Nikki away for CP chats. If Nikki is F1 it could be because Richie wore his heart on his sleeve and the girls saw?

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Regarding Nikki's perceived confidence, I have a Q&A from Keira below that validates your theory. According to Keira, Nikki was never worried at CPs. I have often wondered if Richie himself subtly gave that assurance (that is if Nikki is F1) to her that she was the front runner or the producers behind the scenes telling her that. I guess we will find out from post filming interviews if Nikki does not end up as F1 why she had so much confidence.

PS: Who do you think is going to win?
Kiki: Oh, this is the hardest question ever. I change my mind every week. I feel like Nikki was quietly confident. She was the first date and the whole way through, never once did I see a bead of sweat on her brow at the cocktail parties. I was like, "Does she know something I don't know?" I swear to God, Noni and I would be crying every cocktail party, thinking we were going home. Could've been all the champagne we drank, I don't know. Nikki was always quietly confident. There's definitely something there that we as viewers haven't even seen yet. There's a connection there that is only felt between the two people, you can't see it on TV.
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Exactly, [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], and in this other interview, Kiki elaborates:

"It was always between Alex and Nikki because I knew there were some strong bonds with Richie from what he showed at the cocktail parties," she said. "But now that I've been watching it at home and seeing things that happened on the single dates, I think Richie's really perplexed by Olena:".
Those are Kiki's words and the articles also mentioned that Kiki said Olena is the dark horse.  This is the link: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

This is similar to what Keira said after watching Olena and Richie on tv

Funny, most of the girls saw Nikki as confident or Alex with her white rose and confidence in the begining half as "they may know something we do not know". IMO the women's confidence could have been producer driven. I heard the producers pump up the F2 and F3 making them think the bach is interested in them and encourage doubt in the F1 for more impact.

On the other hand, Olena is smarter than we realize. If she could spend time in the TV room with the girls without talking, she did not give tptb enough sound bites for them to splice and create words for her. It takes a confident woman not to try to fill the space by talking. If others are doing the talking filling in the time...I say let them.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I think this is why she remained cautious about her real feelings and why in their conversations the talk is "real" as in the moment and not about the date persay. 

You're probably right about Olena's limited itms unless about her dates. She possibly didn't want to hear the girls talk about Richie all the time. In her comment to Steph, she asked about how to deal with the emotions and that a few girls were already there

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BedHead wrote:

mercieme wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], responding to your earlier post on Page 22 of this thread.


Regarding Nikki's perceived confidence, I have a Q&A from Keira below that validates your theory. According to Keira, Nikki was never worried at CPs. I have often wondered if Richie himself subtly gave that assurance (that is if Nikki is F1) to her that she was the front runner or the producers behind the scenes telling her that. I guess we will find out from post filming interviews if Nikki does not end up as F1 why she had so much confidence.

PS: Who do you think is going to win?
Kiki: Oh, this is the hardest question ever. I change my mind every week. I feel like Nikki was quietly confident. She was the first date and the whole way through, never once did I see a bead of sweat on her brow at the cocktail parties. I was like, "Does she know something I don't know?" I swear to God, Noni and I would be crying every cocktail party, thinking we were going home. Could've been all the champagne we drank, I don't know. Nikki was always quietly confident. There's definitely something there that we as viewers haven't even seen yet. There's a connection there that is only felt between the two people, you can't see it on TV.
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Exactly, [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], and in this other interview, Kiki elaborates:

"It was always between Alex and Nikki because I knew there were some strong bonds with Richie from what he showed at the cocktail parties," she said. "But now that I've been watching it at home and seeing things that happened on the single dates, I think Richie's really perplexed by Olena:".
Those are Kiki's words and the articles also mentioned that Kiki said Olena is the dark horse.  This is the link: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

This is similar to what Keira said after watching Olena and Richie on tv

Funny, most of the girls saw Nikki as confident or Alex with her white rose and confidence in the begining half as "they may know something we do not know".  IMO the women's confidence could have been producer driven.  I heard the producers pump up the F2 and F3 making them think the bach is interested in them and encourage doubt in the F1 for more impact.

On the other hand, Olena is smarter than we realize.  If she could spend time in the TV room with the girls without talking, she did not give tptb enough sound bites for them to splice and create words for her.  It takes a confident woman not to try to fill the space by talking.  If others are doing the talking filling in the time...I say let them.

Not only that, but one of the things that almost convinced me that Nikki is not F1 is the fact that she declared to the media that her ex-fiance placed money for her to win The Bachelor. Seriously? Even if she did win, saying that makes no sense at all. What was she trying to demonstrate? IMO, it was very unwise of her to do that. According to her partner, she hasn't even returned her ring, and they are not in good terms, yet, in spite of it, she goes and says that he placed money for her to win! . That is not the way I expect F1 to deal with things. IMO, that is just absurd. I can't see F1 doing that.

Also, the fact that Steph has been so honest and said she didn't see -and still doesn't see-a deep connection between Richie and Nikki makes me believe that Nikki won't even make it to the top 2. IF Steph knew that Nikki at least made it to the top 2, she wouldn't be that honest, and she would be a bit less straightforward, she would use different words. For Steph to speak this way, so directly, it means that she feels that time have proven her to be right. This is JMO.

Maybe that is also the reason why they hid Olena all the time from the pap`s. Because they knew very early that Olena is the F1 by her second single date. Remember how they tried to hid her with the hoodie and they also photoshoped her pics but never did it with the other girls on their dates! That was also the same week when Richie and Nikki got that chat in the mansion room and we were speculating that it probably was producer driven. IMO

natik wrote:Maybe that is also the reason why they hid Olena all the time from the pap`s. Because they knew very early that Olena is the F1 by her second single date. Remember how they tried to hid her with the hoodie and they also photoshoped her pics but never did it with the other girls on their dates! That was also the same week when Richie and Nikki got that chat in the mansion room and we were speculating that it probably was producer driven. IMO

As I see it, the producers tell us who the winner is through the story, and that is why we need to see a story. The main character of this story is Richie, and the theme of the story is his search for love. In order to make sense of the story that the producers want us to see, we have to focus on his interactions with people, discard those that are not meaningful and examine those that move us. That is the best way to see his arc. At the moment, I try but I don't see an arc with Nikki. I saw a 'beginning' but there is no evolution. A kiss, a conversation, she opening up, all that can be seen with the other girls. Rachael just shared her feelings too. There are two stories there that grab our attention because of their significance. The first one is Alex's story: she is the single mother, the question is: Is Richie prepare to fall in love with her?...There is a journey to see. The other meaningful story is the one with Olena: She has never been in love before and she is taking time to open up but Richie is fascinated by her, and thinks that their 'relationship' (as he calls it) has potential. What is the story with Nikki? I really see no significant story. IMO, F1 will be either Olena or Alex. Those are the only stories that grab my attention now.

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Not only that, but one of the things that almost convinced me that Nikki is not F1 is the fact that she declared to the media that her ex-fiance placed money for her to win The Bachelor. Seriously? Even if she did win, saying that makes no sense at all. What was she trying to demonstrate? IMO, it was very unwise of her to do that. According to her partner, she hasn't even returned her ring, and they are not in good terms, yet, in spite of it, she goes and says that he placed money for her to win! . That is not the way I expect F1 to deal with things. IMO, that is just absurd. I can't see F1 doing that.

Also, the fact that Steph has been so honest and said she didn't see -and still doesn't see-a deep connection between Richie and Nikki makes me believe that Nikki won't even make it to the top 2. IF Steph knew that Nikki at least made it to the top 2, she wouldn't be that honest, and she would be a bit less straightforward, she would use different words. For Steph to speak this way, so directly, it means that she feels that time have proven her to be right. This is JMO.

I agree I felt the same. It was like she wanted to say "you fool I`m not the one who won". That was my expression of that.
Actually I think Steph knows for sure who the F1 is. I don`t think she would have been so straightforward with her interviews. She obviously need to keep it in secret but she implied a lot in her interviews. IMO

Steph's interview also show a fun and daring side of Olena other than the "closed-off" persona. I'm just thinking these two hit it off because of similar ways, i.e. Not kissing on 1st date and questioning feelings. Kiera, a straight shooter and so is Steph IMO says Olena is who you see on camera.

Steph's interview also shed light on the 'persona' of the girls for example Nikki who she says is different on/off camera. That's interesting! I've wondered if she fell for Richie before the show much like the US Soules/Whitney all in.,
Something else mentioned is the producers asking her if she wants to kiss Richie. I can see this happening on most of Richie's kisses with the  girls and what is spontaneous or scripted. Something to think about

Idlemess wrote:Steph's interview also show a fun and daring side of Olena other than the "closed-off" persona. I'm just thinking these two hit it off because of similar ways, i.e. Not kissing on 1st date and questioning feelings. Kiera, a straight shooter and so is Steph IMO says Olena is who you see on camera.

Steph's interview also shed light on the 'persona' of the girls for example Nikki who she says is different on/off camera. That's interesting! I've wondered if she fell for Richie before the show much like the US Soules/Whitney all in.,
Something else mentioned is the producers asking her if she wants to kiss Richie. I can see this happening on most of Richie's kisses with the  girls and what is spontaneous or scripted. Something to think about

I now have mixed feelings about Nikki's personality. For example, her comments about her ex-partner placing a bet for her, are odd and completely unnecessary. Then, a few newspapers (including a Perth newspaper) have mentioned that she and her ex-partner are having issues with properties. The Perth paper even knows the value of those properties and apparently Nikki and Tim may have lost some money. I haven no issues with that. I know financial issues are normal when a relationship ends. Nonetheless, was I find sad is that Nikki hasn't returned the ring to Tim, her ex-partner. I assumed all the girls would do that; if a girl decides to break up an engament, the ethical and sensible thing to do is to return the ring. Why then is Nikk keeping the ring? Obviously, Tim did not want her to keep the ring or he would not have his lawyer discussing the 'terms of the ring'. IMO, the fact that Nikki is keeping the ring (and this is known by the public because of the lawyers, and she has not denied it) doesn't speak well of her attitude towards her ex-partner. IMO that shows greed. Her partner also said that before that ring, he gave her a cheaper one but they upgraded because she didn't think the first ring was big enough. I have decided to ignore that comment, because he may not be saying the whole truth.  What I can't ignore though, is that there is definitely a ring, and that Nikki doesn't seem to be willing to return it, that even though they broke up about a year ago. She had plenty of time to return the ring. In fact that is the first thing she should have done. Apparently, according to Nikki, that is something that the lawyers still have to resolve, but seriously, who needs a lawyer to return a ring?  This and a few things that Nikki has expressed during the show (i.e. 'no one has ever called me beautiful', 'I have never been on a date') make me feel that she is not completely honest, or genuine. JMHO

To me, the most polarizing girls on social media are Alex and Nikki. They are still on private apparently still not accepting followers. This makes me wonder why. 
These two are very publicize yet remains private on IG from what I see. Is it because of their F1/F2 status or something else entirely such as perceptions of the fans and dealing at this point and time with the public. Doing media might be more controlled since they have a handler but I find it extreme.

Some of the contestants likes to put on a persona IMO and want the public to only see that image. No true characterization and in some instance it can be perceived as manipulating a situation to ones advantage. Well played!