Bachelor Australia - Season 4 - Richie Strahan - Episode Discussion - *Sleuthing - Spoilers* #2

H.E.A.T.H.E.R wrote:

Sundy wrote:Hi all. I have popped the HTD Sneek peek screencaps in the screencap threads for analysis

Sundy you are an absolute legend for taping and catching those HTD preview Scaps! IMO that's Rachels Mum, very similar features.

Hi Heather, can you please respond in the screen cap thread which of [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]'s HTD screen caps that you think is Rachel's mum, thanks a bunch. I thought the one brunette could be Rachel's sister since the individual looked kinda young but not sure.

Hi mercieme, apologies, done and done

H.E.A.T.H.E.R wrote:Hi mercieme, apologies, done and done

Thanks Heather, I had the same thought as you but wanted you to confirm it

Sundy wrote: Further to this someone mentioned that they saw a commercial that said that the rose ceremony was going to be the most emotional rose ceremony yet?  forgive me if I'm wrong but last nights rose ceremony was not really emotional and therefore I think they may have shown the wrong promo and actually next weeks.  hence I think stronger than before that Alex may go home at five

Sunny, you are correct, I recall someone mentioning that a while ago, and I think it was here. I also believe there was an article in which Osher said that certain day he was late at home because they filmed a very emotional rose ceremony. It was almost by the end of the season. We should go and see if we can find the article I agree, last night's rose ceremony was not very emotional at all. JMO

ETA: this is the link, it the day Osher had that crash,but the date of this article is April, 28th.

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natik wrote: I read the thing about the promo. But blaah I´m still not buying what they try to sell us. I think they are blowing all the "Olena is closed off", "Ukrainian princess" and that she does not make a good match, out of proportion.

I remember last season with Snezana. At that stage of the show they throw shades on her edit wise and in their promos.

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What do you see?! Doubt with Snezana till the end. Although the chemistry is off the hook. That is basically the same we are going to see with Olena cause she is the F1. There is no doubt about the F2. It´s most of the time "perfect on paper", "I can see a future with us", "we have a special connection" almost a match made in heaven blah blah blah. It´s the opposite with the F1 edit there is always some kind of doubt and no security with the F1. The F2 edit is always the easiest way and perfect match. The F1 is doubt till the end. So by the way things are going I´m even more sure that Olena is F1. IMO

Regarding doubt for F1 or F2. Sometimes there is doubt about both F1 and F2. Sometimes there is no doubt about one or the other until later. And sometimes the doubt is about the lead or is coming from the lead.

In S2: Sam Frost was F1 for Blake's season and there was no doubt in her edit but there was doubt about the lead (Sam many times asking Blake if HE was ready). There was doubt in F2/Lisa's edit about her having her guard up/walls up.

So edit is something that can be different for F1 or F2 depending on the contestants/lead, imo. The edit is there to tell the story (as Sam Wood said in interviews last year) so it may be that the story is that Olena is not able to open up because that is her edit to show she is not F1 or it could be a doubt edit. TWT which is the case but cannot rule out one or the other just yet, imo.

Sorry for double post: Preview for next week's F5 episode (camping). Seem to match SC of Richie walking with the basket so maybe SQT/mini-date for Faith (as sleuthed/speculated to be her in SC thread)

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AllAboutLove wrote:

natik wrote: I read the thing about the promo. But blaah I´m still not buying what they try to sell us. I think they are blowing all the "Olena is closed off", "Ukrainian princess" and that she does not make a good match, out of proportion.

I remember last season with Snezana. At that stage of the show they throw shades on her edit wise and in their promos.

Check it out
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What do you see?! Doubt with Snezana till the end. Although the chemistry is off the hook. That is basically the same we are going to see with Olena cause she is the F1. There is no doubt about the F2. It´s most of the time "perfect on paper", "I can see a future with us", "we have a special connection" almost a match made in heaven blah blah blah. It´s the opposite with the F1 edit there is always some kind of doubt and no security with the F1. The F2 edit is always the easiest way and perfect match. The F1 is doubt till the end. So by the way things are going I´m even more sure that Olena is F1. IMO

Regarding doubt for F1 or F2. Sometimes there is doubt about both F1 and F2. Sometimes there is no doubt about one or the other until later. And sometimes the doubt is about the lead or is coming from the lead.

In S2: Sam Frost was F1 for Blake's season and there was no doubt in her edit but there was doubt about the lead (Sam many times asking Blake if HE was ready). There was doubt in F2/Lisa's edit about her having her guard up/walls up.

So edit is something that can be different for F1 or F2 depending on the contestants/lead, imo. The edit is there to tell the story (as Sam Wood said in interviews last year) so it may be that the story is that Olena is not able to open up because that is her edit to show she is not F1 or it could be a doubt edit. TWT which is the case but cannot rule out one or the other just yet, imo.

I disagree. At this stage of the show it does not make sense to me why they are constantly trying to sell us that Olena is "closed off". It´s like they are hiding her and Richie`s real connection. It should be the other way around. At this point they need to play their connection up to make the viewers doubt about Nikki as F1. But they don`t do it. Instead of these they are throwing constantly Nikki as F1 at our faces and hiding all the "juicy" stuff with Olena. For example all the kissing from her private time after the group date. And they are trying to sell us that after the camping she is the one without a HTD. The way they are constantly throwing shades of doubts about Olena looks more like there will be some kind of a peak to the story. And those peak makes only sense if she is fully opening up in the Finale and is the F1. Otherwise it all does not add up because the viewers still think Nikki is F1 and Olena has no chance because she will never open up. IMO

JMO: It could be that if Olena is not F1 that the doubts are being shown now so that they can remove them to show her taking her walls down and going to F3 or F2 and thus be seen as a viable F1 only to be rejected at the end (it has happened this way before on different seasons I have watched, including Blake's S2 with Lisa/F2 who had the same edit and was closed off but opened up at HTD only to be rejected by FRC).

OTOH, it could be that Olena is possible F1 and her doubt is something she and the lead will overcome together. If this is the case then there may be another doubt that happens before FRC (since F2 is always made to look like the viable F1 before FRC) and that will be overcome too.

I can see it either way, atm, depending on the perspective but edit is always much less reliable than s/caps and so far Olena is in Bali so that is plus in her box and thus not so hidden so it is interesting to me that someone other than Olena and potentially Alex (if she is jumping from boat) and if it is Bali for F3 then someone is missing from those s/caps intentionally...

I'm still as confused as ever, but from reading posts and studying screen caps, it seems we are fairly sure from the screen caps posted, that Rachael, Alex and Nikki have HTDs and IA with the outcome of the sleuthing - Rachael's mum at door welcoming Richie and Rachael outside the same door saying goodbye to Richie; Alex's mum welcoming Richie and then her sister and brother in other screen caps; Richie talking to Nikki's BIL. That leaves Olena and Faith with no clues as yet. This is how I see it. JMO

AllAboutLove wrote:

I can see it either way, atm, depending on the perspective but edit is always much less reliable than s/caps and so far Olena is in Bali so that is plus in her box and thus not so hidden so it is interesting to me that someone other than Olena and potentially Alex (if she is jumping from boat) and if it is Bali for F3 then someone is missing from those s/caps intentionally...

Well if going by that there is also a screencape of Rachael at the beach. Who knows if it`s Bali or HTD?! As I already was posting in the Screencaps Thread if you compare Richie`s sideburns than it looks like Rachael is in Bali too. And if going by the preview of Sam Wood`s season it looks like they gave us the F3 dates in the preview like they also did it with Sam Wood. That would mean Rachael, Alex and Olena F3. So right know judging by the screencaps we have it looks not good for Nikki beyond the HTD. It was the same with Heather last season. I said to you at an early stage that screens don`t lie and that Heather will not make it to F3. IMO

IA natik, it doesn't look good for Nikki

Just Looking wrote:IA natik, it doesn't look good for Nikki

The difference between Heather and Nikki though is that there was doubt from early on that Heather was friend zoned. This hasn't occurred with Nikki. If anything, the connection appeared even stronger on the second date. IMO.