The Bachelorette - Season 12 - JoJo Fletcher - General Discussion - *Sleuthing - Spoilers* - #4

JBF wrote:I mean... this is just a silly show.

However I DEMAND that Luke rides alone on Coconut after his elimination.

yea... like in old movies... the sole cowboy and his horse, riding away on the horizon... right?

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^^ excellent! :sourgrapes:

we can add beans since Luke was a judge recently! the combination should be explosive !

Awwww... you changed your avatar! We need an avatar of Chad's pooch around here though. What was the name?

JBF wrote:Awwww... you changed your avatar! We need an avatar of Chad's pooch around here though. What was the name?

precious? naaaa forgot

Pumpkin.      

I figured it was a vegetable, but I couldn't remember. Ha ha!

bluwavz wrote:Pumpkin.      

yaaaass

oh I thought about you yesterday when I listened AfterBuzz recap ep 7!!
Dany said that he met Caila and she is a firecracker and very witty!!

Yes she is!  

JBF wrote:I mean... this is just a silly show.

However I DEMAND that Luke rides alone on Coconut after his elimination.

 JBF and thank you again for giving me a good laugh! 

OK... my quickie observations about last night's episode.

I remember @HEA pointing out the cameraman who appeared to be laughing at JoJo's meltdown. Maybe he wasn't aware of how seriously upset she was at first... or maybe he was enjoying "the performance"? This moment could be like the famous scene in Alfred Hitchcock's NORTH BY NORTHWEST when a few seconds before Eva Marie Saint fires her gun at the Mt. Rushmore visitor's center (actually a MGM studio set filled with actors), a little boy in the background covers his ears. Oops! That boy had one too many "takes" here and was jumping ahead of schedule!

The Luke interrupting the rose ceremony situation was hilarious on a number of levels. My favorite moment after he asked to see her was when arrogant Jordan comments that the dude already had a full day to say what he wanted before and asks why he is choosing now. Likewise, Robby is equally impatient to board that plane he sees parked there. But Jordan, Jordan, Jordan... This show is not ALL about yooooou. Why not let Luke make a fool of himself on national TV for a change?

My first thought was Sean Lowe wanting to dump Catherine after hometowns because he was so unsure of her and asking Chris Harrison's help to decide between her and Desiree. His decision was based on which lady he would miss the most. Luke's fate seems to rest on the fact that he didn't deliver his "ILY" fast enough... not like Robby who belted it out barely a week after he joined the cast. Actually, JoJo must be hard of hearing since he DID say he was at least "falling for" her a couple episodes back, in addition to creating a huge heart on his hometown. Yet we need an "excuse" for her to kick him to the curb with the cowboy boots he gave her.

In another way, they are editing Luke a bit like Becca in Prince Farming's season. The Iowa farmer told Mister Harrison that he was going eliminate her, but then eliminated Kaitlyn. Surprise! Of course, Becca did not wind up with Chris in the end, except briefly after he broke up with Whitney. Yes, that's right. He wanted Becca more than Whitney apparently. Granted, she must have exhausted him again just like she exhausted BOTH Chris and myself watching her on her Last Chance Date and Chris is... once again... a Bachelor.

Hmmmm... Did Mike Fleiss initially WANT Prince Farming to do a Jason Mesnick? Well... if you don't succeed with one lead, try try again with another.

Interesting how Luke's theme song was played again: Dan & Shay's "From The Ground Up". None of the other finalists have a theme song. Also none of the other contestants are getting much of a "longterm" edit either. This season is shaping up like the Aesop tale of The Hare and The Tortoise. We have at least two hares this season and Luke and Chase are tortoises.

I guess one reason why I struggle so much with both Robby and Jordan is that they love to Talk Talk Talk Talk. When Robby told his brother he has had "zero" sleep, I wondered if he was high on Red Bull. A couple times, he turned red in the face, then blue. That guy must have been clocking in some 50 words per second. Jordan is ALMOST as bad. On the plus side, I am sure both guys would make great sportscasters of the Howard Cosell variety.

SHE actually got teary eyed saying she was "falling in love" with BOTH Jordan and Robby. *sniff sniff*

Robby's hometown was essentially a replay of JoJo's in Ben's season with the key difference that his ex girlfriend didn't give him flowers and a note, but got her best friend to rat him out online instead and make Mommy "concerned".

Jordan's date was EDITED really weird. Shame too, since his family is so sweet and lovable. Yet the EDIT was pretty weird. The Brother Who Wasn't There was... well... ALWAYS there. He was "represented" by a huge close-up of a football sitting in the high school field and itty bitty JoJo and Jordan at a distance as she kept talking about The Brother. She pointed out The Brother among photos at the school. The dining room table had TWO empty seats where The Brother usually sat as the "head" of the family. Of course, JoJo just HAD to remind us again about The Brother. Also discuss The Brother with every member of the family practically. Gee... no talk about JoJo and Jordan in the future too? Well... Jordan did tell Mommy that she would "fit in" easily, so we know we can picture JoJo after the show hanging out in California looking for friendly Mule Deer in the woods and discussing The Brother with the family. EGAD! I was ever so thankful to learn at the end of the date that she was "falling for" Jordan instead of The Brother, not that I am totally sure. Aaron has had more VERBAL attention this season than Bentley did in Ashley's season.

Poor Chase. At least he was honest with Mommy. "I want The Girl to be HER." At least he realizes she might NOT be The Girl.

JBF wrote:
Interesting how Luke's theme song was played again: Dan & Shay's "From The Ground Up". None of the other finalists have a theme song. Also none of the other contestants are getting much of a "longterm" edit either. This season is shaping up like the Aesop tale of The Hare and The Tortoise. We have at least two hares this season and Luke and Chase are tortoises.

 indeed Mr JBF, indeed.


Now that Luke is out of the show and knowing the prods edited him just for him to stand alone on the tarmac... watching the plane leaving... him probably crying. This makes me look at the edits with a step back.  

For me I think that the 2nd single date with Luke was a last minute change because she decided to keep james. We did not see jojo/luke riding a horse at his hometown (same as no hockey with Chase). I am sure that initially the prods wanted us to clue us luke's rejection by jojo picking  robby over luke and chase. That was IMO their initial plan. Since it was not Luke and Chase, we did not get to see Robby and jojo in bed together. They decided to concentrate on who will go between chase and james. Because if they had put luke and chase, their edits did not match anymore as everyone would have picked chase.

For me this hometown is definitely give us a taste of the FRC :

Robby: trust issues that she will never overcome... and we all know how much trust is important in her life (eh big bros?)
Jordan: the wounded victim jordan that she can play mommy with... even if she is 'scared'

So for me no comeback. Prods waited this all time to see Luke on tarmac. And it clear that jojo made up her decision BEFORE hometown. The 50 people luke was so adamant jojo to present was the cherry on the cake for jojo. She does not want this life AT ALL. She wants glory and glitters and party. She does not want to end up in a small town (even if Luke do live in Austin).

Now I need to adjust a couple of WTH after shows and I will be all good to move on with my life and next LUKE season.

- why did they give us this umbrella on jordan's parent garden with a heavy rain and jordan going in the house without it. analogy of a man desperate in love seeing the love of his moment life? Or just a premise of him crying because he will be rejected at FRC?  

- why jojo mentioned it is typical to let go 1 OR 2 at the end (LIVE with Kelly)  

- why jojo said it was 'weird' in becca scapchat when she picked up the tabloid 'jojo fell in love with a fraud'... does she believe that jordan is still innocent after 3 months non stop rumors and red flags?  

I believe Luke had his closure after the show, one way or another. I think he is very fine today. I am not sure how he got his closure but now I am listening his song SHE BRINGS ME BACK with another understanding. I do not exclude he could talk after the show with jojo and whatever was possibly said, Luke got his closure or just watching the show was his own therapy. who knows?

So MAYBE my theory about NOONE is accurate after all? It is this or she ended with Jordan, then they broke up. But yes, I do not exclude a JILLIAN/ED with a 'US AGAINST THE WORLD'.