Bachelor Australia - Season 4 - Richie Strahan - F1-F6 - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

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Hello and   and thanks for the instructions, Mercieme! Sorry  I wrote such a long post,  but many of your have been writing here for months so I thought writing a summary of my thoughts would help us all to see a different side, especially if I shared my spouse's input, and he is an intelligent, insightful and very attractive male  :cutesmile!: so I trust his judgement, especially when it mirrors my own thoughts. :Nod:

 You may also like to know this in more detail: Olena started paying less money than the other contestants, then after the paparazzo's money was rejected, she went to 21...three or four days after her second date people obviously felt something, so she was paying 11...and now she is paying 6. Obviously the market moves according to what the audience feels is going to happen, but what I think is key is the sudden change from paying little to 21...coincidence? Was it because of those 10,000 dollars were placed by the paparazzo and when the rejected that it affected Olena's odds?

I will go now and work on those photos and see if I can post some that are clear. At this point I am not sure about Alex being the one jumping the boat, but I am certain it is in Bali, not only because the previous sleuthing, because I am sure there are similar sailing boats here in Australia (Many of my friends own yatchs) but also because if you look carefully, there you can see a Flag, the Indonesian flag, so that photo was definitely taken in Bali. I know people were sure about this, but to me the look of the boat was not enough, it is the flag makes that 100% correct.

Oh, I wanted to observe this: Olena has been liking some posts on Facebook, and yesterday Kiki says that she too see Olena as the dark horse. I am wondering if the contestants know the top 3/4 but not necessarily who won, that may explain why Keira initially picked Alex and Nikki, but after watching the editing (they don't know what happens behind cameras and since Olena is very reserved she probably did not share much), Keira changed her mind and picked Olena. This suggest to me that she was not completely sure about who would win but had an idea about the finalists and the edited revealed to her a side she did not see. I would say the same goes for Kiki, who has noted that now she is seeing things that she hasn't before.

Hi [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] great read , the more sleuthers the better and welcome!!

Here the first set of photos that I edited. I cropped them, played with contrast to have more

detail, and sharpened. It could be Alex, but not how in none of the photos you can see her tattoo. You can even see a darker line on her leg (which is the reflection of the light when I applied 'contrast') but in spite of it, nowhere you can see the tattoo. Did they deliberately remove it? It doesn't make sense. Strange, isn't it? Also, see how in one of the photos the hair looks as if it was tied? I have to edit it, but can you see the photos? I will try to add them again as I can't see them

BedHead wrote:Here the first set of photos that I edited. I cropped them, played with contrast to have more

detail, and sharpened. It could be Alex, but not how in none of the photos you can see her tattoo. You can even see a darker line on her leg (which is the reflection of the light when I applied 'contrast') but in spite of it, nowhere you can see the tattoo. Did they deliberately remove it? It doesn't make sense. Strange, isn't it? Also, see how in one of the photos the hair looks as if it was tied? I have to edit it, but can you see the photos? I will try to add them again as I can't see them

For some reason, the photos you uploaded are not showing. Preview your post first to make sure the photo links are correctly uploaded, By the way, we analyze screen caps (that is the photos) in the screen cap thread.....thread link below.

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LeapofFaith wrote:Hi [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] great read , the more sleuthers the better and welcome!!

Hello Leap of Faith!

I am trying to upload the photos on that other forum, but it doesn't let me. I am following all the steps. I am wondering if it has to do with the format of Pixlr. It asks you a width... perhaps I need to enlarge them or reduce their size :S

If I can't upload them I recommend you guys go and play with the image on Pixlr...crop, go to refine, sharpen, and you will see. I will still do my best to upload the images...

First Off..just wanna gush a bit about last episode...the RIKKI's date [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] : if that was not the look of love..i dont know what is!... . They both were grinning from ear to ear the whole time. IMO they do have the 'IT' as they seem to genuinely happy (and beaming!) whenever they are together   . So glad i didn't miss this fine season!.. .

Now, onto a more objective sleuthing.

The FI-NIKKI.
To me, RIKKI edit came off as a mix of Art-Matty and Sam-Snez. Here are the ones that i can compiled :
- I believe Art-Matty connection was as early as at the MnG.   Only the one and only Art as Bachelor who could do a great job knowing the 'one' from the get go, by giving the F1 the FIR and persistently building the relationship till the end. Keeping in mind..on the US franchise, no Bachelor had ended up with the FIR girl. (Except Cat, who received one of the multiple FIRs given). This is one rare- precious man right there! . Anyway, at the MnG we got to see their first smooth cute talk with the 'thematic' music riff that was repeated over and over during the whole Arty journey.
-- i see the same case with RIKKI :on epis 1..we are shown that they have had such good convo  (with the other girls shown noticing their connection). Continued by Nikki got the first date, i can honestly say IMO she had it in the bag already as soon as their date ended. This was marked by a spesific music riff serenading their first kiss (the same riff was used in Sam-Snez HTD scene when he eventually managed to score Eve's questions ).
>> interestingly, all the other girls on both seasons were shown well-aware of the connections between the leads and their respective F1s. In my note, we've seen Rachael, Alex ,Olena (and im sure other girls) in PIs confessing that Nikki is the front-runner. With regard to such PIs ,I need to emphasize the fact about the F3 edit on both Art and Richie's. Somehow, Alex (Richie's presumed F3) and Alysha (Art's F3) were getting the jealous, clingy edit, with similar back story (Failed marriage)...and each was shown numerous times admiting that she could see the Lead and F1 connection. Just found this interesting.

- On their second meeting, which was the SQT on episode 5 after Nikki won the 'baby date", Richie praised her as being there for the right reasons. Interestingly..Sam was shown using the same lines to Snez on their first date on epis 3.

- Over their second date on episode 11,  RIKKI already talked about the  future..similar to what was unfold between Sam and Snez on their second date that i can think of . On this date, we have also seen the little gesture Richie gave Nikki by kissing her cheek, hand, and caressing her hair. The part when she stroke his 'hat hair' also not being cut out (see my siggy ). To my knowledge, this is a good sign of the F1.

- Of course as we've seen in the US franchise, the F1 often got one dimensional edit.This happened to Sasha, Sam Frost's F1 too IMO. Hence why we might find them so 'dull','boring'..etc.  I mean..they have no use for the production anymore, right?.  TPTB rather utilize the air time to highlight the potential next lead, IMO.

in Richie's case ..the potential lead is :

The F2-OLENA
- -She has this Sam Frost's vibe all over her.  
Her edit reminds me of Becca the F2 of Chris Soules season. The keywords are :intriguing, chasing, need to let the walls down and finally believe in love. . It is very interesting that Nikki and Olena were set up to have the head-to-head race from the start. On episode 2 after Nikki's date, Olena had hers. then on episode 11 after Nikki had her second date, Olena got her SQT. .  
- with this kind of edit, Richie's 'task' is to make Olena believe in love and opening up .. the great back story for her next endeavor in love department (i personally believe if Becca was not a virgin, she may won the Ette gig over Kaitlyn). IMO  they also do the final couple a favor with this kind of F2 as the F2 was deemed to be not ready..hence minimizing the backlash.

- I must add though  : their kisses were hot,..with Richie's hands game at its best.   (mind you, this is a typical lead-F2 'chemistry' edit   )

- Im not big on SM sleuthing, but from what i can tell off the Bach AU SMs, its obvious that they are rallying Olena as the next Ette . She got many gif's on twitter, and being 'the spoke person' with so many PIs on the last 3-4 episodes.

The F3-ALEX
for the above mentioned reasons. (clingy edit, etc)
the coming episodes seem to instill more 'doubt' about Alex...aka the curse of the White Rose.  

The F4-RACHAEL
The F5- FAITH
these two are being in the friend-zone. Their connections are similar to Richie-Sam Frost. I can see Faith as their second contender (after Olena) for the next lead. This is unfortunate as i see her as the female version of Richie on Sam F season, who would be so much fun to watch. (how hilarious her next date will be?...). But with how the stoyline pans out for Olena as F2, at this point, i can't see anyone besides her being crowned as the next Ette.

All JMO. All in all, Richie has a great F5, i think. So all is good in Bachie Land.  :cutesmile!:

Hi Bedhead ... and to all who joined this season that I haven't properly welcomed.

Interesting about the betting world, I actually never played (and I'm from a small town known for the "fortune games", mainly attraction of Italian and Chinese gamblers in Slovenia)

Joy ... funny that you mention Chris Soules' season ... because I get that vibe too, not that Richie is by any means similar to CS (and that's a good thing) ... but let me explain what I saw that year ...
CS was attracted to Becca, but everyone was excited about Whitney, who happened to be "all in" from the beginning (believing in the show she applied specifically for him) ... I actually liked Whitney a lot (still find her one of the best of that season) but her approach towards CS to me was all wrong ... and yet she was F1.
But the problem was really CS ... he wasn't into her ... and that is MY opinion. I still remember his conversation with his family and how he almost "defended" his connection with Becca ... he sounded like Jojo with her parents after finding out that Jordan didn't ask for her hand in marriage.
He might had started the season wanting to marry a woman he would have chosen ... but in the midst of the filming it seems he didn't find the one ... or maybe in his "heart" it was someone more like Becca than Whitney, but he just wasn't "man enough" to admit, that the picture everyone had about his future (wife) wasn't what he actually was going for (and his lifestyle after the show confirmed that).
I don't think he should have chosen Becca, because she wasn't that into him (and that was "his" problem that ultimately made a decision easier for him) ... but if he was honest with himself, with his family and with his F1, he wouldn't have chosen Whitney - IMMO.

I personally don't think that Richie is anywhere near "the problem" CS had. Because for starters he is much more honest and real (genuine) that CS ever was. Who isn't there desperately looking for his wife, but only to have fun (experience and earn something) and maybe find himself a nice girlfriend to "do life with". He knows how hard the relationships can be (staying together ... considering the experience of his parents breaking-up) and so doesn't live in a fantasy world. He knows he is the master of his own fortune.

happygolucky wrote:Hi Bedhead ... and to all who joined this season that I haven't properly welcomed.

Interesting about the betting world, I actually never played (and I'm from a small town known for the "fortune games", mainly attraction of Italian and Chinese gamblers in Slovenia)

Joy ... funny that you mention Chris Soules' season ... because I get that vibe too, not that Richie is by any means similar to CS (and that's a good thing) ... but let me explain what I saw that year ...
CS was attracted to Becca, but everyone was excited about Whitney, who happened to be "all in" from the beginning (believing in the show she applied specifically for him) ... I actually liked Whitney a lot (still find her one of the best of that season) but her approach towards CS to me was all wrong ... and yet she was F1.
But the problem was really CS ... he wasn't into her ... and that is MY opinion. I still remember his conversation with his family and how he almost "defended" his connection with Becca ... he sounded like Jojo with her parents after finding out that Jordan didn't ask for her hand in marriage.
He might had started the season wanting to marry a woman he would have chosen ... but in the midst of the filming it seems he didn't find the one ... or maybe in his "heart" it was someone more like Becca than Whitney, but he just wasn't "man enough" to admit, that the picture everyone had about his future (wife) wasn't what he actually was going for (and his lifestyle after the show confirmed that).
I don't think he should have chosen Becca, because she wasn't that into him (and that was "his" problem that ultimately made a decision easier for him) ... but if he was honest with himself, with his family and with his F1, he wouldn't have chosen Whitney - IMMO.

I personally don't think that Richie is anywhere near "the problem" CS had. Because for starters he is much more honest and real (genuine) that CS ever was. Who isn't there desperately looking for his wife, but only to have fun (experience and earn something) and maybe find himself a nice girlfriend to "do life with". He knows how hard the relationships can be (staying together ... considering the experience of his parents breaking-up) and so doesn't live in a fantasy world. He knows he is the master of his own fortune.

thanks for sharing your thought.
LOL..ITA...yeah the farmer and his F2 debacles. He really messed up and now regretting it, JMO. (i'd further say based on his IG, he even attempted to get back to Becca :shocked!: ). Glad Whitney and Becca now have moved on . btw, the AU franchise has had its own switcheroo saga with Blake, right?

As for Richie..i see so many good qualities in him that reminds me of Art. He knows what he wants in a partner, brutally honest and love honesty,  being a good judge of the character and following his gut. Hence why i think he can carry the show to the end with his very early chosen one (who i think is Nikki) - cough2 what Rachael told Alex . I also think they will likely be one of the success story post-show. IMO the less producers induced drama and no FS overnight on the AU shows also help the franchise to produce more successsful stories compare to their US counterpart. JMHOAA

Great post [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I never watched Chris soules season but I remember becca on bens season and she was gorgeous inside and out! Love her relationship with jojo....Must go find and watCh it

LeapofFaith wrote:Great post [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I never watched Chris soules season but I remember becca on bens season and she was gorgeous inside and out! Love her relationship with jojo....Must go find and watCh it

you're most welcome..happy to share

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happygolucky wrote:Hi Bedhead ... and to all who joined this season that I haven't properly welcomed.

Interesting about the betting world, I actually never played (and I'm from a small town known for the "fortune games", mainly attraction of Italian and Chinese gamblers in Slovenia)

Hey Joy! Hello HappyGotLucky!    In Australia betting is fine. It is regulated but it is important, especially because we are into races, and we are the biggest when it comes to horse racing. Everyone dresses up to go to the races, and that is a season in which we Australian men and women spend a fair bit of money to look great for the races.  Those men and women who decide to compete, which is what Nikki does, can win great prizes for the best outfit. I only bet for the Victorian Spring Carnival and sometimes Sydney Cup (races) and I bet very little but it is part of the carnival, otherwise I don't like betting at all.

Anyway, I want to explain why IMO, Sportsbet's odds may help us discover the winner. I believe that the old Sportsbet odds matter more than the recent ones. I will tell you about my previous experience with Sportsbet and a RS. The Bachelor is the only show I am following now, ad I don't like RT, but the other RT show that I watch because of how genuine it is is Masterchef Australia. One of my friends was there, I know MC is completely serious, and that is why it is considered the best MC in the world. During my time watching MC  I didn't use to check Sportsbet, and I never placed a bet for any contestant, but this year I read someone on Facebook commenting about the peculiarity of the MC betting in Sportsbet. I was curious so I went and checked. I found something rather interesting:  Even in week 1, Sportsbet had Elena, this year's MC winner , as the winner. You may say that that was perhaps because she was really good and people could see that, but that is far from the truth. The reason why Sportsbet early odds received attention is because Sportbet  had Elena as the winner from the very beginning, this in spite of the fact that she was not even shown on screen until episode 30 so, how peculiar is that? Before episode 30, Elena was always just part of the background, never failing but never making particularly good dishes so many people didn't even remember her name or face. Only when she made a great dish (which was in episode 30) is when people started paying attention to her...until then not many noticed her. Why then Sportsbet was already offering 1.75 for her from episode 1? They could only offer that low amount if they were certain she was the winner.  This made me think that Sportsbet had to have inside information or some of her friends/family were investing money on her. BTW, curiously Ithe other two guys Matt and Harry ended up second and place respectively, and when the show started, even before I noticed Elena. In fact, Sportsbet has a disclaimer about the outcome...they mention that there may be additional information.

Considering my experience with MasterChef Australia, I decided to check Sportsbet for The Bachelor. I wanted to see who F1 was for the punters.... the person leading there now is Alex, followed by Nikki, and then Olena,  but we have to consider that the actual odds are already influenced by the punters who are following the show, that is why I want to go back and find which contestant  was supported by Sportsbet a few weeks ago,  when the names of the top 22 were released and the punters were not yet placing substantial bets. At the moment, I found this, (check link below) and in my humble opinion, the amount Sprotsbet allocated for each choice suggests that Sportsbet already knew how many girls Richie would be kissing, because it is just too precise. I believe in March most posters did not think Richie would be kissing many girls and even Richie said he would not be kissing many girls, punters wouldn't have had much information either,and there would not have been many bets placed, because early bird betting works mostly for horses which are already known by punters.  In spite of it, Sportsbet was correct.  Check out, and you will see the odds back then, these were released by just betting. It was only paying 1.60 for 610 different girls!  We can continue speculating after you check the link.

IMO, we may be able to find some of the responses for the finalist if we go back to the first odds that Sportsbet offered, which means that they were not yet influenced by the punters but were firstly established by sportsbet.

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If I forgot to add IMO somewhere then just in case, all that is not linked ore references if obviously just my opinion    Sorry for the typos, I am multitasking and it is almost dinner time here