Bachelor Australia - Season 4 - Richie Strahan - F1-F6 - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

Hi guys i am giving you all a clue ..just read @happygoluck comments she is always on the right point with what she sleuth. As i do have a photo to proof but the problem is its not allowing to post ot here for some reason..have fun guys.

Coconut wrote:Hi guys i am giving you all a clue ..just read @happygoluck comments she is always on the right point with what she sleuth. As i do have a photo to proof but the problem is its not allowing to post ot here for some reason..have fun guys.

Could you have made it any more obvious? I am not happy about this at all!

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in_denial wrote:

Coconut wrote:Hi guys i am giving you all a clue ..just read @happygoluck comments she is always on the right point with what she sleuth. As i do have a photo to proof but the problem is its not allowing to post ot here for some reason..have fun guys.

Could you have made it any more obvious? I am not happy about this at all!

Hahaha Relax [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] there is no spoiler here. I believe this is the producer trying to side track us. This poster has not or is not able to provide the proof, says it all. Like what has been posted earlier, anyone could just have said anything. I read on SM, someone knew Nikki was among the F4, so what does that mean? Can mean a lot of things...I would choose to think she is F1 based on all the evidences that @ALL has posted. Can't wait for tonight.

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in_denial wrote:

Coconut wrote:Hi guys i am giving you all a clue ..just read @happygoluck comments she is always on the right point with what she sleuth. As i do have a photo to proof but the problem is its not allowing to post ot here for some reason..have fun guys.

Could you have made it any more obvious? I am not happy about this at all!

Hahaha Relax [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] there is no spoiler here. I believe this is the producer trying to side track us. This poster has not or is not able to provide the proof, says it all. Like what has been posted earlier, anyone could just have said anything. I read on SM, someone knew Nikki was among the F4, so what does that mean? Can mean a lot of things...I would choose to think she is F1 based on all the evidences that @ALL has posted. Can't wait for tonight.

Thanks Quane! Let's just wait and see, shall we?!

I believe the final two will be Olena and Nikki. Two amazing women and either would be great for Richie or bacholerette. I see great qualities in both women love Nikki reasurring Alex in episode 10. Nikki would be great with Richie because of location, age, and her sincere desire to find love. Keep sleuthing for those who know how to do an amazing job, spoilers wont change the dynamics.

*Reminder* per the forum rules all posts must be about the show and not towards other members.

We have had great sleuthing and discussions let's keep it that way

If Olena is F1, I can't deny I'm disappointed.

Coconut wrote:Hi guys i am giving you all a clue ..just read @happygoluck comments she is always on the right point with what she sleuth. As i do have a photo to proof but the problem is its not allowing to post ot here for some reason..have fun guys.

Interesting... thanks [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].

OK, (in_denial, peggy) I'll try to ease the disappointment for you ... if we get to that point. So excume me for writing now about my past experience with other 3 seasons where my "lucky runner-up" left heartbroken ... that has little to do with this season ... but to explain better the point of view.
I'm referring to 2 seasons of Bette USA (both cases the runner-up was the same person ... and wip wip hurray ... he's a Bachelor now - after 2 years. Or is it 3 in TB nation world?) and 1 time, that we shared the "heartache" with Heather, who for me was a "technical" runner-up, since emotionally I never got invested with Lana, even though Lana was a "Heather" of the situation, so I felt sorry for the girl, because she took one for my Hbomb.

Now the edit showed a "perfect connection" on a deeper level. They met, they got to know each other without rushing things, but the "moment of realization" that the lead could be "the one" for them came right after their first 1on1.

Mark the important part ... the edit always showed US what a great person the contestant was/is. TPTB made sure that WE got to understand them. We started to feel for them ...
we start to root for them ... we want them to find a happy ending ... and if that means the lead who OUR favorite is infatuated with ... so be it ... we want that for them ...

but the beauty of edit is that it makes things shine even when there is no sunshine ...

and what often happens is that (I'll speak for myself) I get all the reasons why the contestant is a perfect match for the lead, but the edit doesn't give me all the information why the lead would be the perfect match for that contestant.

Because 1 card the producers have in their favor is that they only show the lead in the light that suits the story.

By now, we know that Richie is a funny, intelligent, confident person. He is very good talker, quick-witted and much like most men with women he likes what the eyes can see.
He may not be a player with a swag, but by no means he is "a virgin on this territory". He also isn't a guy who wants to live only in one city without traveling out and explore other places and he is not all about the "wife+kids fairytale" and hard work with no fun kinda guy. He likes the "benefits" just as any other guy who appeared with him on the previous show. He may have different attitude than some, but it doesn't mean he isn't prone to do some "public attention seeking" work for the "easy money". He is no "angel" what I mean with this ... he has his vices and quirks and dreams that we might not know about (and might be a surprise) ... and ... WE don't get to see that on this show, because it's all about keeping the ideal of TB franchise in check. He must be "perfect" to be "desirable" and "worthy of all the love".

So of course, he is edited to be the perfect match for F2 (whoever she is). But is he really?
Mind you, I don't put him down by saying this. I do like him a lot. He was my fave during SamFro season. But it was exactly that season that was an eye-opener for me regarding the edit.

Until then I always got sucked into believing "the compatibility" edit. It was Bette1 AU that I have to thank for waking me up. Because as we sleuthed here pretty early on (thanks AAL) that Richie wasn't F1 ... I started to pay attention to how he and Sasha were portrayed and I could almost feel sorry for F1 ... because TPTB edit did disservice to them, by never showcasing the real "love story" ... I felt the need to almost "defend" Sasha, even if he really wasn't "attractive" to me ... but I thought, he must be much better person than he is given credit for, but it's just the typical F1 superficial edit that tries to convince me that Richie is better for Sam (oh yes, I forgot about Michael, but I think most of us did).

Now looking back, I can see how SamFro wasn't the right match for Richie ... and deep down I believe Richie knew it. Even SamFro said it herself on her radio show. Remember how Richie was nervous with Sam, kinda "unmanly insecure" ... and "we" kinda understood it as him not being comfortable around a beautiful woman, perfect "in his mind" and out of his league ...

well, no "right match" is out of anyone's league ... they are mutually perfect ... perfect for each other (without looking far into the future, since to make a relationship work is on them) ...

and the Richie I see with his match is a confident man. Who leads, makes choices first, but respects the other person and acknowledges her strength that matches his.

Whoever F2 is ... can be sure that their "right match" is yet to be discovered ... and so, no sour faces ... the thrill of that "journey" is the beauty. Maybe it can lead to the next TB season gig.

happygolucky wrote:Until then I always got sucked into believing "the compatibility" edit. It was Bette1 AU that I have to thank for waking me up. Because as we sleuthed here pretty early on (thanks AAL) that Richie wasn't F1 ... I started to pay attention to how he and Sasha were portrayed and I could almost feel sorry for F1 ... because TPTB edit did disservice to them, by never showcasing the real "love story" ... I felt the need to almost "defend" Sasha, even if he really wasn't "attractive" to me ... but I thought, he must be much better person than he is given credit for, but it's just the typical F1 superficial edit that tries to convince me that Richie is better for Sam (oh yes, I forgot about Michael, but I think most of us did).

Now looking back, I can see how SamFro wasn't the right match for Richie ... and deep down I believe Richie knew it. Even SamFro said it herself on her radio show. Remember how Richie was nervous with Sam, kinda "unmanly insecure" ... and "we" kinda understood it as him not being comfortable around a beautiful woman, perfect "in his mind" and out of his league ...

well, no "right match" is out of anyone's league ... they are mutually perfect ... perfect for each other (without looking far into the future, since to make a relationship work is on them) ...

and the Richie I see with his match is a confident man. Who leads, makes choices first, but respects the other person and acknowledges her strength that matches his.

Whoever F2 is ... can be sure that their "right match" is yet to be discovered ... and so, no sour faces ... the thrill of that "journey" is the beauty. Maybe it can lead to the next TB season gig.

First post here, be kind.  

I actually totally disagree with this.  I didn't know about this forum when I watched Bette1AU so I went in without any bias or spoilers.  I thought from episode 1 it was painfully obvious that Sasha was F1, and literally every date they went on reinforced that.  

Interesting how opinions are though, I thought the edit showed that Sam and Richie really didn't have great chemistry, in addition to Richie not being able to open up.  IMO Olenna's edit reminds me so much of Richie's edit from Bette1AU.  Closed off, kind of awkward (in a different way).  

Nikki is F1 IMO.  If we're being honest I had Megan as my frontrunner and was disappointed when Richie didn't move heaven and earth to keep her around.

betteitall please, feel free to express yourself.

I'm a kind person snarky, sarcastic .. OK, maybe cynic a bit too, but I never bite. If I sound like I do, then I'll probably just be on one track of mind writing fast and forgetting to be more "considerate".
OK, so talking about Bette1 season ... I agree it was obvious with Sasha, that's exactly why I learned my lessons. We knew it almost from the start, or at least when I joined there was a lot of info about Sasha being F1, so I didn't bother to invest emotionally with any other story, but I was reading my fellow "Bach-chicks" being very supportive of Richie and those who were more informed about him were quite convinced of the great guy he is, so they got me excited about him too.

As far as the edit goes I back up what I've said. Sasha did unfortunately get one-dimensional edit, because after the show we were able to discover this teddy-bear to be much more than what was presented to us through Sam's gushes about him.
About Richie, I agree with you, that it was obvious they weren't the right fit, but I believe we were given much more of a personal view of who Richie might be than who is Sasha ... thus creating that familiarity with a contestant so that the audience would care about him. Maybe it was all done for this gig specifically, but TPTB tends to do that to the contestants who don't end up being F1. They make them "open up" about themselves more (they show us those clips that create an emotional effect) while F1 remains at the initial information all related to the present.

Hey guys! Please read attentively my post, it is long but firstly I am going to offer my opinion and later I will provide information about what could possibly reveal the winner. I have only started watching The Bachelor/Bachelorette, last year. I am Australian, and although I am not really obsessed with this show (let’s be honest, I find it entertaining but rather shallow), this year I got hooked. One of the reasons is because I find that this year the girls are quite amusing but mostly because of Olena.

I have been avidly reading your posts and I too have done my own sleuthing. *edited* I think Faith is nice but since the beginning she was friendzoned. She is also sweet but the typical Queenslander girl, so there are millions of girls just as nice as she is and just as cute as Faith. I assume she being your average girl is one of the reasons why people like her, but i don't find Faith as an intellectual stimulating woman at all.  That is why I don’t see her as the Bachelorette. Olena, nonetheless, is not your average Aussie girl. She is not only captivating, but she is thoughtful, considerate, shows a sharp judgement and she is very analytical. Nikki, on the other hand, seems like a lovely person, but I find her a tad dull. *edited* don’t really know much of Nikki except that she claims she has never been on a date before (which I can’t believe) even though her partner took her on holidays overseas. She also affirms she was never called beautiful before, which I doubt because she is quite pretty and was runner up during the Melbourne Fashion, for the Melbourne Cup, and has done casual modelling. Also, I found her sudden ‘love’ for Richie difficult to believe and somehow immature. It was their second date and he is dating other women…seriously? How can anyone know this early when someone is the one, especially in that environment. How can she claim that he will have him forever when not that long ago she was engaged?  I assume that when she said yes to her fiance, she meant it, even if after she realised that it wasn’t going to work. Moreover, the fact that someone who has been in a long-term relationship for so long, can fall so easily in love on a tv show with someone who is dating many women at the same time makes me question her emotional stability. She may be very nice, but I personally feel that Richie was put off by that comment. My spouse, who doesn’t like the show (and is a few younger than I am),  watched the show with me yesterday (I wanted to hear his input) and he told me that he didn’t think Richie was really into Nikki, not just because of the body language but because he did not have a real response to her declaration of love, and my spouse also believes that Richie used the rose as an excuse to avoid discussing his feelings with her. I agree with my spouse. I am a social and cognitive scientist (finishing a PhD, and I have also done some casual modelling and tv).  I study behaviour, that is my area of expertise, and although I may be wrong (although for the last two years I picked the winner of the Bachelor show from day 1 without spoilers, and I always knew Heather was never a front runner and that Lana was not going to win), because my judgement is not perfect, but I think that if Nikki continues chasing Richie, he will offer her reassurance but eventually he will send her home. I
Also, please not this: Richie has said in previous interviews that at this stage he can’t say if the ‘winner’ is ‘The One’, that he needs to live with that person, travel and spend more time with her to know that. Nikki saying those things too early to Richie will make her question her maturity *IMO*. How can she know at this stage that she wants him and he is ‘The One’…seriously?. I am 40 but before my actual partner have had a few guys and I am spontaneous and extrovert but a bit like Richie and Olena…if someone goes too fast I simply stop the relationship before I hurt them, and I have done that with a few guys in the past, that is why we still have a friendship. That is feel I connect with Richie’s feelings.

Now, why do I think Olena will win? Not only because what I see on the show and because of Richie’s body language (he is desperate to have her attention and there is chemistry there, he does the ‘chase’ ) but because a trend that I observe on Sportsbet.  Initially, I put a bit of money on Nikki, but also because I noticed something on Sportsbet. Do you remember how the paparazzo claimed that Sportsbet cancelled his bet? Well, before that Olena was ahead, and suddenly after the paparazzo's bet was cancelled event Olena was paying 21 dollars per dollar! That is ridiculous…I inferred that without the paparazzo Olena's odds ‘fell’. Now Olena is paying less again…but isn’t that interesting? The other thins is that I have used a program pixlr to see the photos in more detail and to be honest, I don’t see Nikki in any of them, which is puzzling. The one of the door could be Olena  but I don’t think is Rachael because the person is very slim.
Finally, for those who thought Megan was classy and the one…Megan is far from classy and she was never the one *IMO*…check the daily mail. Megan uses her Instagram to post pictures of her topless. The last one was a photo of tiffany and her topless in panties, on a bed eating a spaguetti, the photo has obvious sexual undertones. There is no way Richi or her family would accept someone like Megan. *IMO* Her words ‘the process was not very organic’ are so cliché…and pretentious, especially for someone like me, who is a published author, she tried too hard to sound cool.
If you would like me to post photos by Pixlr where you can see more details I can do it, but I am not familiar with the forum. Sorry if I don’t put IMO in every single paragraph, because obviously saying ‘I think’ just to say later ‘IMO” is redundant and unnecessary **Note: it is still the rules of the forum for statements that are opinion to include IMO - see where *IMO* has been added for examples**.  Still, I hope my insight helps you.

Just a last thing: *edited* the body language matters much more than the words…and you know…sadly many women confuse kindness with love. In my opinion, what Richie shows towards Nikki is kindness, interest, and he obviously cares about her, but there is no fire there. Also, considering the life that Nikki has, and the life that Richie leads and wants to lead, I don’t think they are good for each other. She is not as active; her life is different from Richie’s life. *Edited* I don’t see that. In fact, *I* know little about Nikki because she is always so focused on Richie, and both are always repeating the same cheesy, cliche lines! Frankly, if she is F1 I think they will eventually break up.

As I said, I may be wrong, no one is infallible but I think this time I initially let myself be guided by the media but at this stage I am almost certain that the money I had on Nikki will be lost, I truly don’t think she is F1, she and Richie, in my opinion have a superficial, friendly connection but there is no real romance, passion, and fire…it feels nice but dull.
Apologies for any typos, I am multitasking  and I have no time to edit, but I did feel that I wanted to share my thoughts now, and if I didn’t I probably would have never done it.. As I said, if you want clearer screen caps edited on Pixlr let me know and I will post them but first tell me what is the easiest way to do it.
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