The Bachelorette - Season 12 - JoJo Fletcher - General Discussion - *Sleuthing - Spoilers* - #3

What gets me is that two promos (episode 1 and post episode 6) have her saying (although it is all frankenbytes of either her voice or an unknown guy's) that her heart is broken.

If she dumps Luke, HE is heart broken, not her.

However he and Chase did have that discussion about her being in the bubble and not knowing what each guy's life is like outside. Also all of Jordan's "red flags"... and now every guy except Robby has given an opinion about him! So Luke will probably just go back to his horses and wait for her to get Jordan out of her system... along with all of that grape juice.

You MUST watch this show with a sense of humor.

^^ I do. I do. I promise! err wait, this is not a marriage! I have!

jojo also has a real hard time letting guys go, so her broken heart could just be her being upset about letting s guy go after meeting his family.

It amuses me how Chris Harrison (Yahoo's "Ones to Watch") contrasts the two:

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/bachelorette-first-look-5-men-125728185/photo-the-bachelorette-season-12-1463323774797.html

“Jordan is very interesting. He is the brother of Aaron Rodgers, the quarterback of the Green Bay Packers, and he himself is a former pro football quarterback. JoJo has a spark with him right off the bat. The billion-dollar question is if he is here to extend his fame or find love. Is he just there trading on his brother’s name? Is he here to make a run to be the next Bachelor? JoJo is very smart and has a good BS meter. Jordan was one of those guys from the beginning that she was very taken with, but also very leery of for that exact reason. She keeps an eye on him. He’s got game and is very good at wooing JoJo, but she sometimes has a feeling about it being potentially too good to be true. We’ll see if she asks the tough questions even if she won’t like the answer.”

“Luke is one of my favorite guys this season and has one of the best stories. I am a sucker for people who serve. He went to West Point. He was a platoon leader in the Afghan war and he also has the ridiculous Hollywood leading man good looks. He is smart, kind, and charming. He is the whole package. He is a Texas boy, so he and JoJo have that in common. He really fits for JoJo. But he might be too perfect on paper but not add up in real life.”

Sssssooooo.... BOTH have challenges: too perfect on paper but not add up in real life = too good to be true

Yet Harrison is so smooth and Devilish by saying Luke "fits for JoJo" then says he "might" be too perfect on paper. Harrison has less confidence in Jordan if she "potentially" considers him too good to be true. Although Luke questioned if it was "too good to be true" in one brief conversation with her, she has said the same twice with Jordan. We all remember that Ben F. questioned the same twice with Courtney and chose her, then broke up twice with her. He said it was "two good to be true" again in their *official* break-up statement a few months after the show.

Oh well... even though I haven't bothered with the Spoilers, I found out in Google Land that she and Chase "allegedly" fail in the fantasy overnight. (Yeah, like Zak Waddell and Desiree were destined to, although we do have a screencap proving Chase at least made it to Thailand.) After going on and on about how Kray-Z her connection was with Luke, she chose Chase over him.

Here's a thought. Maybe when Luke wishes to speak to her for a minute at the rose ceremony, he tells her that he was "wounded" in the war. The terrible thing here is that she eliminated the professional, Evan, a couple episodes back. Jordan employs the Art Of The Fluff.

@JBF

Oh but your forgot a second BUT with Jordan!!!

She scared so many times even at hometown. The guy just said last episode that football do not define him, that this sport literally was not a good thing for him and at hometown, they go on the field and school. No surprise of course since his title is : Former Pro Quarterbac.

Now.... I think I read this discussion about 'F1 must overcome an obstacle'. Well, I think we have it with Luke if he leaves at F4 (as I think he will for an emergency).

This season, like no other season to me, drama is their main goal. I mean I've rarely seen a guy so poorly edited than jordan (already discussed not doing it again). Then as if it is not enough, we have a SECOND coming up, Robby. Again, poorly edited in a way that I personally did not see any evolution story with him and jojo. all serious conversation seamed to me edited except the last one about his ex-gf on the bench which is the premise drama at hometown.

So then end a drama with jordan and move on to 3 dramas: jordan (brother hometown), robby (ex-gf and family who literally told her he broke up to join the show, sister AND mother)... and then the cherry on top of the cake, probably Luke.

The prods must have peed of joy in their pants. No wonder the cameraman looked like he won an oscar!!!


For me it is no brain. Somehow, I do not know how yet. Luke is coming back and because he leaves at F4, it was just impossible for the prods to show Luke in Thailand in the teasers. They want us to believe he is leaving for good. This is also why the infamous blogger got wrong. Chase was NOT at the F3 RC because he will probably be sent home at fantasy date before the RC.  And I think they want him to be the next bach (reason why he raised his SM activities lately, same with James the boxer, and why Fleiss asked BEFORE luke's departure who the public want as next bach... testing the waters with wells, derek and james T)

So I am still sticking to noone in thailand but a mesmick in california with Luke OR Luke came back in Thailand, jordan eliminated at F3 comes back at F2 with a ring and is rejected. I mean all drama options are possible for us to watch.

The only gut feeling I have now is that jojo and luke are an item today.

EVERYTHING is just my speculations, my opinion and my gut feeling. TY

JBF I agree with you on  with her choosing Chase over Luke.. Whatever reason he left it had to have been something completely out of his control.  Nothing else makes sense.  I guess TPTB needed another drama fix.

Norcalgal wrote:

luvstx wrote:Just wanted to mention that there is precedent for a short third 1:1 date with an RC the same night.  The one that comes immediately to mind is Sean's season.  He gave 1:1 to Ashley, Tierra and Emily with a 3:1 with Des, Catherine and Lindsay.  Tierra left in a 'dramatic' departure straight from the hotel.  Emily had a lame, short date on the same day as the RC.

Guessing there are others that I'm not thinking of right now.

Emily and Jef had a short afternoon date (lying on the floor of a museum and discussing how she wouldn't live with someone pre-wedding), to be followed later that evening with a RC. The next episode was hometowns.

And he was F1! I am in the middle of watching Emily's season but haven't gotten to this date yet. Love that we can watch a lot of the past seasons at $13.99 each on Amazon. No, I wasn't paid for saying that, so I won't put the "link in my bio", LOL. I'll leave the shilling to the former contestants.

Also, RS decided to once again include this forum in his reader emails today. He called out JBF by name this time, or rather his "reader" did in an "email". If, as he states, he really doesn't care, then why bother? 

Why? I haven't attacked *The Spoilers* and anybody personally for being "wrong" or anything. Just questioning everything here with the editing.

^^^Maybe he is running out of material so he has to go after something. 

LIf JBF wrote:Why? I haven't attacked *The Spoilers* and anybody personally for being "wrong" or anything. Just questioning everything here with the editing.

I don't understand it either. IMO, it is fun to share our thoughts and theories with each other. I have no stake in the outcome of the show nor does my livelihood depend on it, so why would anyone feel threatened or whatever by what I talk about here. I do not bash RS or people who frequent his sight. Obviously, I continue to enjoy playing around here with all the possibilities despite what is posted in RS reader emails. Freedom of speech allows for me to post my silliness here as much as I want and while I am doing it I try never to bash RS for doing his job. If I choose to spend a good bit of my time here with friends then that is my business. Why would anyone, other than DH, care? DH isn't bothered by it so RS reader shouldn't be either, IMO.

It's OK. I was tipped to the "summary" of the conversation without having to visit. Fortunately the person who needed to get it out of their system doesn't know me personally since there was a obvious boo-boo on their description. Won't get into it here. I prefer operating like James Bond around here, full of mystery.

JBF wrote:Why? I haven't attacked *The Spoilers* and anybody personally for being "wrong" or anything. Just questioning everything here with the editing.

You should be flattered JFB. Not everyone gets to be mentioned on RS' site. Since he makes money from his column and since you unwittingly contribute your thoughts to it,  royalty fees are in order. It only stands to reason that you should have  have a share of it. :cutesmile!: