The Bachelorette - Season 12 - JoJo Fletcher - General Discussion - *Sleuthing - Spoilers* - #3

@HEA, that is called a "crying gag".

I will keep you amused with these next few posts. At this point I don't care how this silly show ends. I am just going to enjoy the ride and prepare for the unexpected.

I only STARTED reading JoJo's people.com blogs and that gal is a barrel full of laughs. I decided to be nice and "official" and cover all four of her alleged top dudes, but PRETEND that Luke is F1 just to rattle this thread. I'll keep these posts short and sweet...

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Episode 1: http://www.people.com/article/bachelorette-jojo-fletcher-blogs-jordan-rodgers-attraction

Jordan: "When Jordan stepped out I felt an immediate attraction; not only was he good looking, but it felt so natural talking to him. I mean talk about off to a good start! If the rest of these guys were anything like him I knew I would be in for a phenomenal journey." / "But, I couldn't help but think of when Jordan stepped out of the limo, I knew there was a connection between us. It wasn't until we kissed (my REAL first kiss of the evening) that I knew he had made a lasting impression. So, I decided to give him my first impression rose. And hey, let me put something else to rest right now. A couple people have asked me if I spoke to Jordan prior to that first night, and I can honestly tell you that at no time did we ever speak to each other. The first time we spoke was when he stepped out of that limo and said hello! Sure, his name had been leaked online and I knew a guy named Jordan Rodgers was likely arriving, but we never ever spoke."
Robby: "A few guys even made it personal like Robby, who remembered my mother's infamous champagne sip straight from the bottle during my hometown last season. Robby came prepared with a personalized bottle, which of course in Fletcher fashion, we sipped straight from the bottle. A man after my own heart and one I knew my mom would love."
Luke: "But I think my favorite entrance was from Luke who rode in on a real unicorn! Come on a hot guy and a unicorn, so much yes!" / "But the night picked up when I had meaningful conversations with guys like James T, who was not only a huge sweetheart but such a gentleman, and Luke, a fellow Texan who hand picked cowgirl boots for me as a gift. How sweet was that?!"
Chase: nuttin'
In case she is writing this with Luke sharing the "safe house" with her: "Hon, you need to kiss a little more like Jordan. Oh wait a minute. WE did NOT kiss that episode, did we? As for now... all I can say is... ssssooooo much YES!"

Episode 2: http://www.people.com/people/package/article/0,,20981907_21009761,00.html

Jordan: nuttin'
Robby: nuttin'
Luke: "But at the end of the day, Grant was able to rescue me from that tower, even though Luke did give him a run for his money!" / "And Luke. Wow. He is just a big sexy hunk of a man. Have I told you about his hands? He has the biggest hands. When he wraps his hands around me, I feel so safe and protected. Those hands! Okay, no more commenting on that! And I didn't know the guys down there could see us! Ugh. Sorry, guys!"
Chase: "The night really took off when I spent time with Chase. The time we spent together that night instantly made me know that I needed to spend some quality time with him. Stay tuned for that!"
In case she is writing this with Luke sharing the "safe house" with her: "Just remember that I dumped Grant much earlier than Bachelor Nation THINKS I dumped you, Hon. Now make me feel so safe and protected with your hands. Wow! They are SO much bigger than Donald Trump's!"

Episodes 3? & 4: http://www.people.com/people/package/article/0,,20981907_21011442,00.html

Jordan: "Jordan on the other hand, was someone I did have questions about. There was no denying the attraction between us, but something about Jordan scared me. I would often find myself getting nervous around him. I couldn't decipher if it was nervous butterflies or something else. But having him open up to me and to see him begin to drop his walls was exactly what I needed in that moment. It felt like a turning point for us, and I knew I wanted to show him that I saw that by giving him the group date rose."
Robby: "At the evening portion of our date, it meant a lot to me that Robby was so forth coming with how he was feeling. I knew I wanted more time with him and I could feel that things with us were progressing. Robby makes me feel so safe, and I really enjoyed the time I was spending with him. He was someone who I felt confident in, and didn't need to question."
Luke: "I couldn't wait to get this week of dates started and I knew spending more time with Luke was on the top of my list. I was beyond excited to go dogsledding with Luke. I had never been before and I couldn't wait to experience it! Of course there wasn't much snow for us to ride through but don't doubt for a minute that it wasn't freezing. I will say seeing those adorable pups made me miss my dog Jackson at home. Watching this back, I had to cover Jackson's eyes for this one. I didn't want him to think I was cheating on him! And I may have kept them covered; he didn't need to see that hot tub moment! And yes, it was very, very hot in there!
Going into our dinner that evening, I was more intrigued by Luke than ever. He's just so mysterious, and I really like that. At dinner, so much of that mystery started to make sense. Luke has been through so much in his life, and hearing him talk about the loss of his good friend just broke my heart. To know he trusted me with this, well, I still struggle to find the words to express how much that means to me. I am so grateful to Luke, and to all the men and women like him and Jason who so proudly serve our country. I felt so honored just to be in his presence that night and I am so very grateful for his sacrifice.
Finishing our evening with a special performance from Dan + Shay was the most surreal moment. Walking into that theatre, with hundreds of screaming fans, this amazing country band performing and being on Luke's arm was a dream. I left my date with Luke that night feeling as lucky as a girl could feel.
Chase: nuttin'... the boy was put back on the shelf this week.
In case she is writing this with Luke sharing the "safe house" with her: "It is OK, Jackson. Don't get jealous but it may be a little too hot in here for furry lil' you. This isn't the same kind of dogsledding I do with you..."

Oh... I hope I am not writing Leo Tolstoy here. I am just trying to get through these. Ha ha!

Certainly SOMEBODY here finds them as amusing as I do.

Episode 5: http://www.people.com/article/bachelorette-jojo-jojo-fletcher-exclusive-blog-ex-boyfriend-chad-jordan-cheating-confrontation

Jordan: "Maybe that's why I loved that kiss from Jordan so much. I knew no one else could see us, even if they were close by. It was pretty darn hot." / "I was really looking forward to seeing Jordan. He and I had an instant connection that first night when he stepped out of the limo, but I was so ready to try and move beyond that. And I know the water was a little murky, but just seeing those seals swim around so close to us was amazing. They are so big (and. yes, a little stinky!) but so graceful. If you haven't had the chance to swim with seals and you have the opportunity, give it a go!
That night, I knew I needed to have a serious talk with Jordan. It was hard bringing those issues up with him, but I knew I wouldn't be able to move forward without having that conversation. I could tell he was surprised, and there was a moment there when I was worried that he was about to shut down. But he didn't. Hearing him open up and tell me that he was immature and maybe not the best person in past relationships meant a lot. He didn't try to place blame on anyone other than himself. I respected that. And it made me realize that the connection between us was more than just physical. "
Robby: "As for that kiss with Robby, I wish the other guys hadn't seen that. I try so hard to keep each relationship private, but sometimes I make mistakes and guys see things they shouldn't see." / "My date with Robby! And with a random dog who stole my heart! Yes, I'm crazy for dogs. That dog and I played together for about half an hour before Robby showed up. I wanted to take him home with me, but he actually seemed quite happy just hanging on the beach there. And Robby, if I smelled like dog that day, thank you for not saying anything! Robby really is a great balance of playful and flirty and sensitive. And how about that body? Uh, perfection. Did I plan this date just to see Robby strip down and jump in the water with me? Hmmmm.
That night, when Robby opened up about his friend passing away, it touched me. Life really is short. And unpredictable. Let's all remember that.
When Robby told me loved me, I was stunned. I knew he had strong feelings for me, but I had no idea he was in love with me. It felt so good hearing those words, especially from someone like Robby who is so honest and sincere. Those are strong words – and ones I don't take lightly. Kissing Robby on the beach that night, knowing he loved me, just made me believe that all of this was going to work for me."
Luke: "Luke, come on. He is a M-A-N. Can you women out there see what I'm seeing in him? I hope so!"



Chase: "Chase was so cute bringing out those knockerballs! He's adorable. I wonder if anyone else has ever kissed inside one of those!"
In case she is writing this with Luke sharing the "safe house" with her: "Just in case they want you for The Bachelor, I gave you a plug. Mind you, I only want them to SEE what I see in you. Not do anything else with you. Oh... one more thing. Just because I said Jordan's kiss was hot, I will still add an extra T to the word on my next blog, Hon."

Oh JoJo. You make me feel like a yo-yo reading these. What are you up to? Promoting the dude for the next Bachelor or wanting to keep him ALL to yourself? I guess it is a woman's prerogative to change her mind.

Jordan: "During my one-on-one time with James, he brought up some issues with Jordan. Looking back, I wonder if that was guided solely by fact or was this possibly his insecurities acting out? Either way, I needed to address the situation with Jordan.
This wasn't the first tough conversation I'd had with Jordan. My feelings for Jordan were really starting to grow, however I had my reservations. After talking through the scenario (which by the way was about a silly poker game ... men!), Jordan reassured me of his intentions yet again, and how the scenario played out. I felt a little bad spending so much of my time with Jordan talking about these things, but I also knew what I needed to do in order to understand the entirety of the situation and make the right decisions moving forward."
Robby: "One thing I did learn during this date was that Robby may not be the best soccer player, but he sure is a smart businessman. Or maybe not! Sorry that goalie stole your money, Robby!"
Luke: "Wasn't too sure what it was, but Luke dropped the big bomb as we were leaving when he said "Are you guys going to kiss today?!" / "Let me just preface these next few sentences with: I'm sorry Dad. The PASSION between Luke and I ... I mean, I'm sure you all could feel that through your TV. It was HOTT. Period. Ok lets all try to settle back down and move on. James. I adore James!"
Chase: "Now, I know you all are probably very confused why I asked Chris Harrison to let me do this, and especially with Chase and Derek, two guys I clearly had strong connections with. But that was the problem. My relationship with each had stalled a little, and I knew if I was ever going to come out of this happily in love, I needed to start forcing myself to make tough decisions about which relationships I wanted to move forward. Derek had been more open and upfront with his feelings, but I had started to feel like our relationship was falling behind. With Chase on the other hand, we had a very strong connection yet he struggled with letting his guard down and it made me question his feelings towards me. I needed that two-on-one date to figure out who I saw a who I really could see a future with, and at the end of the day, I knew in my gut that I could see it with Chase but not with Derek.
I knew giving that rose to Chase was the right choice, but it killed me to have to do it front of Derek. That was not easy because Derek truly is such a good guy. Going back to see Chase was the only thing that made me feel better. Getting to be in his arms while listening to Soledad Pastorutti sing was a bittersweet moment."
In case she is writing this with Luke sharing the "safe house" with her: "Hon. stop doing that. I have to focus on writing my blog. Let's see... think of James. Think of James. Oh yes... I ADORE James. And think of Dad. Sorry Dad."

Thanks JBF for your very entertaining posts! 

Lennoxcolinrolland wrote:

chase4me wrote:Oh, @Lennoxcolinrolland, I don't think Lauren is included in the 21 girls you referring to?

She is. That's what Lace said. That out of all the girls, JoJo liked him the best. This was on week 3 of bachelor live. And I can believe that. Because, Lauren took a while to warm up to Ben, I feel like.

IMO.

Lace was there for 5 mins. and drunk for 3 1/2 mins. I don't know that I would take her word for what feelings of others were. Also, JoJo was more verbal than Lauren and some of the others.

babs wrote:

Lennoxcolinrolland wrote:

chase4me wrote:Oh, @Lennoxcolinrolland, I don't think Lauren is included in the 21 girls you referring to?

She is. That's what Lace said. That out of all the girls, JoJo liked him the best. This was on week 3 of bachelor live. And I can believe that. Because, Lauren took a while to warm up to Ben, I feel like.

IMO.

Lace was there for 5 mins. and drunk for 3 1/2 mins.  I don't know that I would take her word for what feelings of others were.  Also, JoJo was more verbal than Lauren and some of the others.

True. She was usually buzzed (at least from what we were shown), when she was with Ben though. She never mentioned any of the other girls' feelings...Because she was asked about one specific person liking him the best. She was asked a simple and straight forward question...and that's what she answered. ANYWAY,   My whole point was that I think JoJo DID like Ben and/or THOUGHT she liked Ben. And obviously Lauren liked Ben (otherwise they wouldn't be getting married ) I just remember a lot of people at first thought she was kind of standoffish towards him, and we now know why..because she essentially said it in episode 2 and 4 and she's just a more reserved person.


IMO.

There are lots of people I like. Like a lot. Does not mean I love them or anything close.

Kashathediva wrote:There are lots of people I like. Like a lot. Does not mean I love them or anything close.

Lace didn't say love and neither did I

I'm not saying anyone said love. What I'm saying is you can like someone a lot. It does not mean it could mean anything more than that. 
Liking someone the best means like. Has a totally different meaning to me.

SLA44 wrote:Thanks JBF for your very entertaining posts! 

indeed thank you! @JBF  
RE-reading the blogs and I was trying to see what was her hand and what was prods hand.
What I notice is that she is using present tense with robby and luke a lot.
Great job for pointing out some points!!

I'm sorry the following is so long, I know how hard it is to concentrate or follow along with a long post but I tried to put in point form. 

I apologize if the following has already been discussed or if it's impossible due to info sleuthed during filming or immediately after or because I'm forgetting something, but this has been on my mind for a while now and it's on my mind again because:

1) Seeing Jo's interview on Kelly Ripa and how slightly flustered she got when Kelly asked her if she left anybody at the alter and again when she asked how many people did you walk away from. 
2) Seeing her so upset in the FRC preview saying, "I just said goodbye to the man I—looooovvvve." I cannot see her being that upset saying goodbye to anyone but Jordan. 
3) The latest exclusive rag mag articles (which I personally think are always "leaked" by the show itself).
4) Two potential dresses, two potential FRCs as is being sleuthed by two or three members

Which leads me to consider....
- Either Jordan does come clean to JoJo about cheating (allegedly) on Brittany. I think a preview showed him saying, "I'm going to tell her everything" (paraphrased). Or Jo read about it in another mag conveniently gifted to her from her producer. The lie (alleged) when he denied cheating after Jo point blank asked him, would be the reason for the "I have fallen in love with you but what you've done to me..." at the FRC. 
- As planned, she tells F2 no thank you BUT after anxiety/panic attacks and agonizing over the decision to listen to her head or her heart, she listens to her head and tells F1 Jordan she cannot marry him. He leaves beaten and heartbroken. She is devasted because she loves him deeply and knew that he loved her deeply too. 
- No one has left Thailand yet and after agonizing all night, JoJo knows her and Jordan are meant to be together and tells her producer to ask Jordan to ask her again.
- They set up the FRC to look the same as it was the day before but couldn't be exact and of course Jo's dress was trashed from the beach and mascara so Cary pulled out the backup dress and voilà, a proposal from Jordan and a big yes from Joelle!! 

Would this or something similar work based on early sleuthing?