Bachelor New Zealand - Jordan Mauger - Season 2 - Episode Discussion - *Sleuthing* - *Spoilers*- #2

jen689 wrote:

cocoHoney wrote:...Then there is Erin...I can't recall any ITM where she says the way she feels during RC...for all the others we always get to see ITM : "I don't want to go home ..." " I want the rose ..." " I don't want to be in the bottom too .."

I think Erin keeps her feelings to herself. She's taking the relationship day by day and is realistic about the process.  Everytime she's with Jordan her feeling grow stronger. Their relationship is moving forward with no drama. Erin's emotions are consistent. Not up and down like Naz and Fleur JMO

cocoHoney wrote:...I do really like the girl [Erin] She is super nice, good looking, drama free imo ... But her dates to me are so pointless ... Her SD in the glow worm caves ... Oh my ...soooooo boooooring...You can tell he likes her ... But apart from the small talk and the shy kissing ... I see nothing...

cocoHoney wrote:Thank you @HEA for all the work!!!

My favorite would have to be the .GIF of Jordan coping with Fleur's monologue. I wasn't paying too much attention to Jordan's body language watching the replay but he obviously doesn't give a crap of how Fleur is feeling. The girl is totally delusional ... I feel bad for her.

But on the other hand I thought the edits were very F1-like for Fleur and not so much for Naz.
Then there is Erin, but there is seriously zero material to help us speculate. I can't recall any ITM where she says the way she feels during RC. See how for all the others we always get to see ITM : "I don't want to go home ..." " I want the rose ..." " I don't want to be in the bottom too .." ... I can't recall any for her.

cocoHoney wrote:

jen689 wrote:

cocoHoney wrote:...Then there is Erin...I can't recall any ITM where she says the way she feels during RC...for all the others we always get to see ITM : "I don't want to go home ..." " I want the rose ..." " I don't want to be in the bottom too .."

I think Erin keeps her feelings to herself. She's taking the relationship day by day and is realistic about the process.  Everytime she's with Jordan her feeling grow stronger. Their relationship is moving forward with no drama. Erin's emotions are consistent. Not up and down like Naz and Fleur JMO

I totally get the fact she prefers to keep her feelings for herself but we know that the prod does interview them and asks questions about their feelings, the things going through their mind during RC, how they feel like before reading the date cards ... And they use the outcome (voice over like) for the episodes edits. They do it for all the contestants so I don't really get why we never get to see that for Erin. She still had quite a few ITM during the last episode but before that they were soooo rare ....

I do really like the girl. She is super nice, good looking, drama free imo ... But her dates to me are so pointless ... Her SD in the glow worm caves ... Oh my ...soooooo boooooring. She is really super shy as well. I feel like watching a teenager going on her very first date. The conversation, or at least the edits, are sooo teenager-like as well imo. The awkward singing, the LOTR characters listing ... Oh my ... Can we really call that a relationship??? I really don't see anything fit between the two of them. You can tell he likes her ... But apart from the small talk and the shy kissing ... I see nothing

HEA wrote:

PS: but I saw nothing with Matilda and here we are... so I keep in mind edits and prods. They are SO SOOOO good at giving us false direction until very late in the show.

cocoHoney wrote:Thanks for the work!!!

It seems that Erin's family is gonna put our Bachelor on the grill ... but probably less drama than what the preview may indicate ...
Same last season when they were showing Dani's step mum being quite harsh in the preview whereas it was kind of ok in the end.

We don't see much of Naz's HTD though ... apart from her sister's face (well I guess it's her sister) ...

cocoHoney wrote:

HEA wrote:

PS: but I saw nothing with Matilda and here we are... so I keep in mind edits and prods. They are SO SOOOO good at giving us false direction until very late in the show.

Totally. But on the other hand, even though they were keeping Matilda at distance in the episodes, not showing much of their connection, you could tell they were both really into each other. Matilda would clearly say it during ITM (also telling Art she was there for the long haul ...). I can remember she didn't quite like to see Dani kissing Art during a CP, whereas Erin seems to be really realistic and indifferent to the whole process ... we barely see her in ITMs ...
but yeah that's maybe on purpose, maybe she had many things to say during the adventure but her ITMs would not appear in the episodes. Who knows? I think at this point it's really all about how prod is editing the episodes the way they want.
But imo at this point, the edits are not on track with what Jordan seems to feel for the girls ... Fleur having a F1 edit in the last episode but as you pointed, Jordan couldn't be less interested in how she feels about him ...

HEA wrote:

cocoHoney wrote:Thank you @HEA for all the work!!!

My favorite would have to be the .GIF of Jordan coping with Fleur's monologue. I wasn't paying too much attention to Jordan's body language watching the replay but he obviously doesn't give a crap of how Fleur is feeling. The girl is totally delusional ... I feel bad for her.

But on the other hand I thought the edits were very F1-like for Fleur and not so much for Naz.
Then there is Erin, but there is seriously zero material to help us speculate. I can't recall any ITM where she says the way she feels during RC. See how for all the others we always get to see ITM : "I don't want to go home ..." " I want the rose ..." " I don't want to be in the bottom too .." ... I can't recall any for her.

she started to mention after her second date something very important.
It is very possible that Erin is F1. I mentioned it a while ago... my second nagging feeling.
After looking at the first 4 episodes again, I play more attention to the top 5 and Erin was definitely there.

@HEA brilliant I agree it was Fleur and Gab but as you say prop wanted the ensuing drama, my nagging feeling as well is that that Erin is F1. Gab really liked Jordan I agree also some thing does not feel right about Fleur and Jordan

Positives IMHO

- in the intro teaser
- arrival with her voice over: I am here for the right reasons (something like that)
- always in a middle of nearby dramas but NEVER heard
- sweet 1st date where they bonded on common passion: sea and superyacht
- she was very often 1st to receive the rose
- after SD, seen on 1st row
- dorky fun 2nd date with a real pash and HTD rose
- body language in the next teaser (seated next to her, we can see him -and her- swallowing hard on a hard question) and he is definitely looking at her as a smitten man
- both dorky
- best jordan friend mentioned that top 2 for him is erin and naz
- romantic music at the kissing hay rose
- although I found Jordan uncomfortable giving the earrings (not his choice), she got them nonetheless  



Negatives IMHO

- Now... the franchise always talk about overcoming something and I did not see anything like that. (we saw it with Naz changing from nazty to nice)
- Erin was very surprised that he was romantic with her. If she did not see it before, it means, he made no effort of true interest with her talking to her since SD which was episode 10 which was April 5 and second date April 25 with no show of special interest as per Erin
- no show of emotion or special interest
- too dorky, not enough chemistry
- kiss was to orchestrated when he kissed her and gave her the rose who just happened to be behind her
- I saw no interest, even a tiny bit outside both single dates and giving her the first roses.
- Fleur drama cocktail: he even mentioned that he did not spend much time with Erin
- she was not often seen with jordan for a serious discussion
- they joked a lot about movies but did not see much more during the 2nd date

I said it before. She reminds me of Emily and even Matilda edits. And it goes with the way this franchise always do: reveal the F1 near hometown.

This is why for me she is top 2 for sure. IMHO It is possible that she is F1. I personally do not see it but it does not mean she is not.

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Jordan has a heck of way to console Naz versus Fleur IMHO.

The way I see it at the last RC...

Prods asked Jordan to go find Fleur who was upset. He listened to her (as usual... she thanked him for listening and share all she had on her chest).... and prods, knowing full well with their love test on their site and SM, that Fleur is well loved... asked him to give her the first rose.

But it was not his choice.

His choicea were Gab and Naz. IMHO

Gab was very emotional and not to leave the girls. Kate was the one she was the closest not the other girls. Gab was also seen with a red nose at her departure ITM. I do not remember who said that Gab was invested with Jordan for a while.

For me, Jordan wanted Fleur out but prods told him not. So he was seen struggling because he did not want to hurt Gab. If I compare the elimination with storm/fleur, I saw the exact same struggling. In this case, Storm made it easy since I am convinced she asked the prods to leave.  IMHO

Also I am convinced that producers jumped on this gold occasion to get more drama with Naz. drama = good TV = good rates = $$

Naz was always considered for hometown. The real drama was Fleur and Gab. IMHO

I mean after seeing my 2 GIF, how more obvious it is, IMHO, that Jordan is not into Fleur. So why giving her the first rose? It does not make sense.

It smelled a huge producers set up at the last CP and RC, IMHO