The Bachelorette 12 - JoJo Fletcher - S/Caps - SM - Sleuthing - Discussion - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

I can see her running after him. That jives with what we know about her already.

I stated the scenario upthread a couple of pages up, that she rejects both at the FRC (never been done before scenario) and then runs after one. she  has been dating one since the FRC according to SM

I do not think she runs after Jordan. I think those words were for Robby, just like Ben said about her.
I think it was all spliced and diced. Even the "but" before "what you did to me". She probably says something like "what you did to me" was help me to love again.

My money would be on a normal FRC, with tears when she lets the F2 go.

nutty1 wrote:I do not think she runs after Jordan. I think those words were for Robby, just like Ben said about her.
I think it was all spliced and diced. Even the "but" before "what you did to me". She probably says something like "what you did to me" was help me to love again.

My money would be on a normal FRC, with tears when she lets the F2 go.

IA.  I believe the blue suit guy standing with JoJo in daylight is Robby whom she lets go.  Studying the preview on my TV screen, reveals that the sleeve seam still exists on the guy standing in front of her and it looks like he same suit to me.  Jordon arrives later, IMO.

JoJo is upset and emotional about having to eliminate someone she cares for especially after being through that same situation herself recently.

JMO.

grace8136 wrote:

julychild wrote:

grace8136 wrote:Seems like she's with Jordan now, but I'm no longer sure that she left the FRC engaged to Jordan. HEA and JC may be right about her walking off into the sunset with no one.

Since the seriously crying shots are the ones matched to Jordan, maybe all the crying was because she stopped his proposal and said she wanted to just date? Another angle to explore.

She says, "I just said goodbye to a man that I love", and based on the suits/hands I think all those words were for Jordan, so unless she runs after him, she ends it alone. Now maybe the plan was to announce they are together at ATFR, but wouldn't it be hilarious if she doesn't acknowledge ever seeing him again after that day.  

Her parting gift to Jordan could be a paid year subscription to Raya.

nutty1 wrote:I do not think she runs after Jordan. I think those words were for Robby, just like Ben said about her.
I think it was all spliced and diced. Even the "but" before "what you did to me". She probably says something like "what you did to me" was help me to love again.

My money would be on a normal FRC, with tears when she lets the F2 go.

Unfortunately ITA.    They've never really changed up the FRC.  Really since Reid, I don't think there has been anything unusual happen.  I guess a few times F2 let go early and only one guy at the end, but I don't count that.  Personally, I think it would be awesome to have some kind of soapy romance novel ending where either an F1 leaves due to being overwhelmed but then can't live without the lead and comes back to sweep them off their feet at the FRC.  OR vice versa, the lead lets someone go but realizes they made a mistake and goes after them.  My idea if I'm a producer is  they film them running through the airport and catching the person before they sadly get on their flight home .  Anyway seems like a great way to inject something new and fresh and it sure would create a lot of free post show publicity and talk about the show.  I don't really know why they never change up the ending but they seem to love their formula so I don't think this year will be any different than normal.

relaxing wrote:

nutty1 wrote:I do not think she runs after Jordan. I think those words were for Robby, just like Ben said about her.
I think it was all spliced and diced. Even the "but" before "what you did to me". She probably says something like "what you did to me" was help me to love again.

My money would be on a normal FRC, with tears when she lets the F2 go.

Unfortunately ITA.    They've never really changed up the FRC.  Really since Reid, I don't think there has been anything unusual happen.  I guess a few times F2 let go early and only one guy at the end, but I don't count that.  Personally, I think it would be awesome to have some kind of soapy romance novel ending where either an F1 leaves due to being overwhelmed but then can't live without the lead and comes back to sweep them off their feet at the FRC.  OR vice versa, the lead lets someone go but realizes they made a mistake and goes after them.  My idea if I'm a producer is  they film them running through the airport and catching the person before they sadly get on their flight home .  Anyway seems like a great way to inject something new and fresh and it sure would create a lot of free post show publicity and talk about the show.  I don't really know why they never change up the ending but they seem to love their formula so I don't think this year will be any different than normal.

+-But, I just don't see why Jojo would mess up her FRC dress before she sees her F1. This leads me to believe that she let's Jordan go, but I don't know if she ran after him right after she let him go, or if she contacted him later when she realized that she couldn't get him out of her heart/mind.

MiniDiva wrote:

nutty1 wrote:I do not think she runs after Jordan. I think those words were for Robby, just like Ben said about her.
I think it was all spliced and diced. Even the "but" before "what you did to me". She probably says something like "what you did to me" was help me to love again.

My money would be on a normal FRC, with tears when she lets the F2 go.

IA.  I believe the blue suit guy standing with JoJo in daylight is Robby whom she lets go.  Studying the preview on my TV screen, reveals that the sleeve seam still exists on the guy standing in front of her and it looks like he same suit to me.  Jordon arrives later, IMO.

JoJo is upset and emotional about having to eliminate someone she cares for especially after being through that same situation herself recently.

JMO.

At times I thought there was a seam in Robby's suit too, but I blew it up, lightened it and it was only a crease.

Excellent sleuthing, Grace!

HEA wrote:

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My scaps from recorded TV

so I wonder if the 'walking into sunset' was done the following day?

1. her makeup is perfect (close up): lipstick is on, eyes done
2. no fishboats
3. no shoes, so if the dress is messed up, at this point the finale is done so they do not care much
4. bracelet (forgotten after other ITM made that day?)
5. hair less curled
6. no expression face, definitely not a happy face
7. position of the sun quite identical but no fishboats

I also noticed in the teaser some differences in her hair in the ITM. IMO

Just wondering it this would make sense and add to the NOONE theory. maybe?

^^The sun would be on the east in the morning, so that was filmed on the same night imo. I don't have time right now, but we should separate Robby's caps from Jordan's and try to figure out the time of day for each.

The one nagging thing that makes me doubt this theory even though I do think those words are directed at Jordan and there is so much anguish on her face, is that they want us to believe she ends up with no one. Why give any hints to that?

But, I'm just not sure how she could get from there to engaged to him. I'm doubting that he would have wanted to propose, so it makes me wonder what they may have come up with to get around that.

Did the spoiler king ever say she was engaged though ?

I think they're engaged: he fav'd someone's tweet on his comment not to say ily unless you're willing to put a ring on that finger. Doesn't point to just dating imo.