The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - ATFR - *Sleuthing - Spoilers* #3

Linds911 wrote:She's your aunt!? How cool! Thanks for that info!

No, she(MW) is not my aunt. Sorry for the confusion. My aunt works in the exact same field(wedding planner) in the same lucrative area(Beverly Hills/Brentwood etc) and they are friends, run in the same circles etc. My aunt is only 8 yrs older than myself...more like an older sister.

albean99 wrote:This is from a couple of pages back but I thought "watch the feet" was whether someone in the couple (or both) actually moves. In this case, it will be watching for Lauren to move to Denver.

I've always thought that Ben looked at Jojo as someone who knows the reality tv score and that's why he felt comfortable with her and thought they were on the same page. I think he had true feelings for her but just not as strong as for Lauren. I also believe that Jojo was hurt but not really in love with Ben. All JMO.

Just simply look at Jojo's IG and her ex-BF's IG and you can tell that the circles she moves in and the guys she hang out with particularly her ex-BF Chad whole she dated for 1.5 years and they're all nothing like Ben. I think Jojo was really gunning for a good story to land the ette role so she can do her picking of guys she can actually connect with. I never saw it with Ben. I've always felt that the connection was forced. That's why she's acting always OTT with like monkey hugs and such.

I bet you once we see the men she will gravitate towards when we see her season, they are nothing like Ben. Ben and Lauren are cut from the same cloth - just simple, genuinely nice, low key people. Jojo's circle are fancier more pretentious kinds. Just look at her brother Ben and that's the guy she wants. Ben P seems nothing like Ben H. Ben P and Chad are cut from the same cloth and move in the same circles.

I don't think she ever had any Ben intentions. ^ above.

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I've always thought that Ben looked at Jojo as someone who knows the reality tv score and that's why he felt comfortable with her and thought they were on the same page. I think he had true feelings for her but just not as strong as for Lauren. I also believe that Jojo was hurt but not really in love with Ben. All JMO.

There was a post made back on Feb 9 (IIRC by Kasha) about the Feb 8 show (Episode 6 and the swimming with pigs date) that alluded to how Ben saw JoJo and JoJo's role. It took me until last night to actually find the scene that was referred to but think I did. It's available on this link which is the swimming with pigs date itself and the conversation with JoJo concerns what happened on the date with the girls getting upset and shutting down on Ben after they saw Ben "literally just obsessing over Lauren B the whole time" (Leah said this to Lauren H at 2:31) and Ben talks to JoJo about this beginning at 3:26:

Ben: "JoJo - more than anybody else - you get it. ... You get that it's awkward and that it's hard and that it doesn't make sense and that it doesn't make sense to me or anybody else here sometimes ... You get that people pull me away when I'm talking to somebody else. And you - you understand that"
JoJo: "I think everyone struggles with it though. I don't think it's just me - I think you might be struggling with it as well. No?"
Ben: "Yes"
JoJo: "Is it that easy for you?"
Ben: "No. It's hard for me too, and that's why I feel like so self-conscious of it. I really do. Especially today like I really don't want to [bleep bleep] it."
JoJo: "Yeah. I don't know [hard to decipher what she ends this by saying]

This scene is immediately followed (after an ITM by Ben) by a scene between JoJo and Leah found here beginning at :00

JoJo: "Why do you not feel good. Is it because you haven't talked to him yet?"
Leah: "Yeah, and he like hasn't even tried"
JoJo: "He probably feels uncomfortable., and he probably knows you're upset."
Leah: "Do you think he actually knows that?"
JoJo: "Yeah"

The second scene - though brief - is even more fascinating to me because JoJo is playing "wingman" for Ben - trying to help him recover from all the turmoil caused by Ben's attention to Lauren by talking to the one who is most visibly upset - Leah.

Basically JoJo seems to have been Ben's "confidant" when it comes to issues with the show and the filming of it and the way things "work" and Ben understands that JoJo knows this better than anybody here. I think that this same relationship probably went on quite a bit - JoJo was Ben's support to get through the show and after doing this it's very understandable to me that he would have developed very strong feelings for her and Lauren but I think those feelings were very different - that's just a distinction the show didn't want made.

Ben made it though when he said (in the People Magazine March 28 article:

"[By the end] I had been through a lot with JoJo and Lauren. They had both been a good support to me. There was a reason they were the last two there. At the time [saying "I love you"] was my best definition of how I was feeling."

Anymore chatter about Lauren moving to Denver? Shouldn't she be packing her bags about now? Yep, I'll watch the feet.

Mommyof1 wrote:Anymore chatter about Lauren moving to Denver?  Shouldn't she be packing her bags about now?  Yep, I'll watch the feet.  

In her interviews she said a few weeks, until she would move. This week will be busy in Indiana with Ben's Birthday and the Boy's club visit. Then Easter, then... maybe off to Denver? I think she said the plan was early April. I hope it happens just like they are planning.

Mommyof1 wrote:Anymore chatter about Lauren moving to Denver?  Shouldn't she be packing her bags about now?  Yep, I'll watch the feet.  

Actually they are in Indiana with his parents. Doubt anything before the next two weeks.

Mommyof1 wrote:Anymore chatter about Lauren moving to Denver?  Shouldn't she be packing her bags about now?  Yep, I'll watch the feet.  

Lauren's in Indiana right now, with Ben. It's also Ben's birthday tomorrow, so they might be having a party.
They have a fundraiser to attend at the Baker Youth Club on Friday so they might stay until then. Maybe that weekend Lauren will go back to LA. (A part of me hopes she gets to reunite with bestfriend Amanda before she moves. hihi)

Ben and Lauren have been together since Ben flew out to LA for their last safe house visit almost 2 weeks ago. They were first in LA for safe house + ATFR, then NYC for press and their own enjoyment for 5 days or so, now Indiana since Saturday, and it sounds like they will be in Indy until at least this coming weekend, because they are committed to an event at the Bakers Youth Club on Friday. I'm guessing maybe they will go to Portland next, for Easter. Her family hinted in SM that they'd be celebrating with them soon, but that is just an educated guess on my part. From all their interviews, it sounded like a move was likely happening in April, when their schedules allowed. So far- they are attached at the hip. I'm guessing they will part at some point for Lauren to pack and for Ben to work. (He said he is still very part time at his job- mostly to keep insurance.)

Mommyof1 wrote:Anymore chatter about Lauren moving to Denver?  Shouldn't she be packing her bags about now?  Yep, I'll watch the feet.  

Hilarious! Tell us how you really feel!  I'm always leery of relationships that start out with total hero worship (vibes of Bremily) and Ben seems very easily manipulated, susceptible to the bubble, needs to be talked down from the ledge kinda guy, so I'm skeptical. I don't think they're breaking up tomorrow or anything but "marry her tomorrow!!!" blahblah? Yeah. We'll see.

Removed... Copied from fan thread. Fingersandtoes repeated in below anyway....

Mommyof1 wrote:Anymore chatter about Lauren moving to Denver?  Shouldn't she be packing her bags about now?  Yep, I'll watch the feet.  

Nope, not yet. Today she was at a bible study with Ben's mom, tomorrow is his birthday. They have the youth club event on 25th I think. After that they might visit her family in Portland and then head to pack her bags. I don't think anyone expected her to have them packed a week after the finale.