Re: Ashley and JP *Picture thread* #6

[Trueloveforever]

[Samantharose]

Um JP's bro is looking pretty hot in that pic!

[atem]

I wish someone took a pic of the cupcakes they were going gaga over... :P

[GrahamGal]

I wish someone took a pic of the cupcakes they were going gaga over... :P

It's the big one two post up that was made by Cake Boss Buddy.

[atem]

The photographer's name is Kwaku Alston and he has a blog.

[Trueloveforever]

[moonchild]

Did anybody catch what Ash said to jp on their final date when they were saying goodbye...again it sounded like she said 'i love you' right before he said 'see you soon'... i'm probably just hearing things again

I'm not sure what she says here but, on their LCD after he told her he was madly in love with her, she was playing with his hand and JP said"try not to break my heart" which I thought was sweet. Of course, we knew that this wasn't going to happen but, if I were a non-spoiled viewer, I would have melted at that!!

I was a spoiled viewer and I still melted when JP said that!

Of course, it was difficult to pay attention to this conversation because I was continually distracted by Ashley playing with JP's fingers. Definitely something Freudian going on there.

I found it telling that when he said, "Try not to break my heart" Ashley nodded, it seemed to me like she was signaling to him that she would not break his heart.

I think she was so touched at that point by what he'd said previously (and it was probably edited too) that she was just nodding along. He was kinda smiling after he said it anyway. The whole hand exchange and fingers stroking open palms is pretty classic 'fore play.' I read somewhere what that means but it was clearly just another clue that their relationship was at a much different place than any of the others. Ashley was rather misty once JP told her how he felt. I'm still not sure why he was so hesitant and begrudging to do it. Normally, it seems to happen on the FD, not the LCD. Sounds like she'd subtly communicated to him that she loved him before that so I don't get his problem.

Perhaps his hesitation came from Chrystie's judgement and his fear that Ashley would let that influence her end decision. Although his brain couldn't process the fact that she could have a relationship as strong as theirs with someone else, he never lost sight of the fact that there was someone else in this and he had no idea what her true feelings were toward Ben. He knew that his bond with Ashley was strong, but was still so afraid of being hurt again. Fortunately, he used her stepfather's and didn't hold back to protect himself. He already had it figured out that the show was a total mindf***, so I'm sure he questioned everything. No telling what was said to him to get all of that angst.

[ironcat]

Did anybody catch what Ash said to jp on their final date when they were saying goodbye...again it sounded like she said 'i love you' right before he said 'see you soon'... i'm probably just hearing things again

I'm not sure what she says here but, on their LCD after he told her he was madly in love with her, she was playing with his hand and JP said"try not to break my heart" which I thought was sweet. Of course, we knew that this wasn't going to happen but, if I were a non-spoiled viewer, I would have melted at that!!

I was a spoiled viewer and I still melted when JP said that!

Of course, it was difficult to pay attention to this conversation because I was continually distracted by Ashley playing with JP's fingers. Definitely something Freudian going on there.

I found it telling that when he said, "Try not to break my heart" Ashley nodded, it seemed to me like she was signaling to him that she would not break his heart.

I think she was so touched at that point by what he'd said previously (and it was probably edited too) that she was just nodding along. He was kinda smiling after he said it anyway. The whole hand exchange and fingers stroking open palms is pretty classic 'fore play.' I read somewhere what that means but it was clearly just another clue that their relationship was at a much different place than any of the others. Ashley was rather misty once JP told her how he felt. I'm still not sure why he was so hesitant and begrudging to do it. Normally, it seems to happen on the FD, not the LCD. Sounds like she'd subtly communicated to him that she loved him before that so I don't get his problem.

Perhaps his hesitation came from Chrystie's judgement and his fear that Ashley would let that influence her end decision. Although his brain couldn't process the fact that she could have a relationship as strong as theirs with someone else, he never lost sight of the fact that there was someone else in this and he had no idea what her true feelings were toward Ben. He knew that his bond with Ashley was strong, but was still so afraid of being hurt again. Fortunately, he used her stepfather's and didn't hold back to protect himself. He already had it figured out that the show was a total mindf***, so I'm sure he questioned everything. No telling what was said to him to get all of that angst.

Ever since Jason and Jesse mentioned that on their season, not only were the producers in Jason's ear about how he was F1, but they were also in Jesse's ear that he wasn't, I've been wondering if the producers were similarly trying to convince JP that Ashley wasn't as sure about him as he thought she was. They certainly got enough footage and PIs of him sounding nervous and insecure in the last episode, which we now know wasn't really the case. Maybe they kept pulling him aside and talking to him about the real possibility of her not choosing him, in order to shake his confidence?

[happyvalleygirl]

Interesting stuff about Jason and Jesse. It's good to know for fact that they are that manipulative. Sad but good to know.

[sjcaligurl]

Did anybody catch what Ash said to jp on their final date when they were saying goodbye...again it sounded like she said 'i love you' right before he said 'see you soon'... i'm probably just hearing things again

I'm not sure what she says here but, on their LCD after he told her he was madly in love with her, she was playing with his hand and JP said"try not to break my heart" which I thought was sweet. Of course, we knew that this wasn't going to happen but, if I were a non-spoiled viewer, I would have melted at that!!

I was a spoiled viewer and I still melted when JP said that!

Of course, it was difficult to pay attention to this conversation because I was continually distracted by Ashley playing with JP's fingers. Definitely something Freudian going on there.

I found it telling that when he said, "Try not to break my heart" Ashley nodded, it seemed to me like she was signaling to him that she would not break his heart.

I think she was so touched at that point by what he'd said previously (and it was probably edited too) that she was just nodding along. He was kinda smiling after he said it anyway. The whole hand exchange and fingers stroking open palms is pretty classic 'fore play.' I read somewhere what that means but it was clearly just another clue that their relationship was at a much different place than any of the others. Ashley was rather misty once JP told her how he felt. I'm still not sure why he was so hesitant and begrudging to do it. Normally, it seems to happen on the FD, not the LCD. Sounds like she'd subtly communicated to him that she loved him before that so I don't get his problem.

Perhaps his hesitation came from Chrystie's judgement and his fear that Ashley would let that influence her end decision. Although his brain couldn't process the fact that she could have a relationship as strong as theirs with someone else, he never lost sight of the fact that there was someone else in this and he had no idea what her true feelings were toward Ben. He knew that his bond with Ashley was strong, but was still so afraid of being hurt again. Fortunately, he used her stepfather's and didn't hold back to protect himself. He already had it figured out that the show was a total mindf***, so I'm sure he questioned everything. No telling what was said to him to get all of that angst.

Ever since Jason and Jesse mentioned that on their season, not only were the producers in Jason's ear about how he was F1, but they were also in Jesse's ear that he wasn't, I've been wondering if the producers were similarly trying to convince JP that Ashley wasn't as sure about him as he thought she was. They certainly got enough footage and PIs of him sounding nervous and insecure in the last episode, which we now know wasn't really the case. Maybe they kept pulling him aside and talking to him about the real possibility of her not choosing him, in order to shake his confidence?

Maybe so. I think CH was right when he said that there were some stumbling blocks. He seemed too attached to not feeling hurt again although at that point, there was no way his heart wasn't going to be broken whether he proposed or not. I'm glad he had sense enough to recognize that what they had was different enough not to be possible with the other guys. Anytime I can see the halo of "it" in the second episode ... before they even had a date, there had to be something very "magical" there. Despite all of the edits to distract, this has been the best season. I didn't think it could get any better than Ali's and Roberto's.

I'm not looking forward to The Bachelor. The guys really don't seem to know how to do it right. I think Mickey and Ames are sincere and would like to see them but the men just don't seem to get it. Ryan has taken himself out. I don't think Ben is 'ready' even though I love him to death.

[Shelby]

Ever since Jason and Jesse mentioned that on their season, not only were the producers in Jason's ear about how he was F1, but they were also in Jesse's ear that he wasn't, I've been wondering if the producers were similarly trying to convince JP that Ashley wasn't as sure about him as he thought she was. They certainly got enough footage and PIs of him sounding nervous and insecure in the last episode, which we now know wasn't really the case. Maybe they kept pulling him aside and talking to him about the real possibility of her not choosing him, in order to shake his confidence?

Maybe so. I think CH was right when he said that there were some stumbling blocks. He seemed too attached to not feeling hurt again although at that point, there was no way his heart wasn't going to be broken whether he proposed or not. I'm glad he had sense enough to recognize that what they had was different enough not to be possible with the other guys. Anytime I can see the halo of "it" in the second episode ... before they even had a date, there had to be something very "magical" there. Despite all of the edits to distract, this has been the best season. I didn't think it could get any better than Ali's and Roberto's.

I'm not looking forward to The Bachelor. The guys really don't seem to know how to do it right. I think Mickey and Ames are sincere and would like to see them but the men just don't seem to get it. Ryan has taken himself out. I don't think Ben is 'ready' even though I love him to death.

[bluwavz]

Did anybody catch what Ash said to jp on their final date when they were saying goodbye...again it sounded like she said 'i love you' right before he said 'see you soon'... i'm probably just hearing things again

I'm not sure what she says here but, on their LCD after he told her he was madly in love with her, she was playing with his hand and JP said"try not to break my heart" which I thought was sweet. Of course, we knew that this wasn't going to happen but, if I were a non-spoiled viewer, I would have melted at that!!

I was a spoiled viewer and I still melted when JP said that!

Of course, it was difficult to pay attention to this conversation because I was continually distracted by Ashley playing with JP's fingers. Definitely something Freudian going on there.

I found it telling that when he said, "Try not to break my heart" Ashley nodded, it seemed to me like she was signaling to him that she would not break his heart.

I think she was so touched at that point by what he'd said previously (and it was probably edited too) that she was just nodding along. He was kinda smiling after he said it anyway. The whole hand exchange and fingers stroking open palms is pretty classic 'fore play.' I read somewhere what that means but it was clearly just another clue that their relationship was at a much different place than any of the others. Ashley was rather misty once JP told her how he felt. I'm still not sure why he was so hesitant and begrudging to do it. Normally, it seems to happen on the FD, not the LCD. Sounds like she'd subtly communicated to him that she loved him before that so I don't get his problem.

Perhaps his hesitation came from Chrystie's judgement and his fear that Ashley would let that influence her end decision. Although his brain couldn't process the fact that she could have a relationship as strong as theirs with someone else, he never lost sight of the fact that there was someone else in this and he had no idea what her true feelings were toward Ben. He knew that his bond with Ashley was strong, but was still so afraid of being hurt again. Fortunately, he used her stepfather's and didn't hold back to protect himself. He already had it figured out that the show was a total mindf***, so I'm sure he questioned everything. No telling what was said to him to get all of that angst.

Ever since Jason and Jesse mentioned that on their season, not only were the producers in Jason's ear about how he was F1, but they were also in Jesse's ear that he wasn't, I've been wondering if the producers were similarly trying to convince JP that Ashley wasn't as sure about him as he thought she was. They certainly got enough footage and PIs of him sounding nervous and insecure in the last episode, which we now know wasn't really the case. Maybe they kept pulling him aside and talking to him about the real possibility of her not choosing him, in order to shake his confidence?

If JP really had any doubts or insecurities, it had to have come from the producers. JP always sounded confident to me in what he and Ashley have. There is no doubt in my mind that the producers were trying to shake his confidence. It was especially obvious when he was picking out a ring. They were trying to convince him he wasn't the one right up until the end.

The more I think about all that's happened this season, the more I wonder if production was trying for a different ending than the one we got. Earlier in the season, I considered the possibility that Ashley could have been rejected by her final 1 at the final rose ceremony. Obviously they were purposely giving him obstacles to overcome. First it was giving him his first 1-on-1 date with Ashley after Bentley left. Let's be honest, the coin toss was most likely rigged. Second it was giving him his second 1-on-1 date with Ashley, so she could tell him about Bentley's return. Third it was giving Ben the overnight date, who was his only competition, just to see how he would react. And fourth, it was having Ryan return and Ashley rejecting him again before his fantasy date. I kind of wonder if they were hoping JP would get fed up and reject Ashley at the final rose ceremony because he couldn't take it anymore. It's an ending we haven't had yet.

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