Re: The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - Scaps - Discussion - *Sleuthing - Spoilers* #2

agentcurls wrote:Possible order:
"In another world, I couldn't imagine saying good bye to you." 


^this SC may have been originally flipped. I'm thinking this is the way it's supposed to go because Ben might be missing his mole. Mole is on other side. 

*OR*..there might be an indention and another smaller mole in mid beard-line...it's hard to tell...and it seems fuzzy...maybe TPTB have edited it out? It should be more pronounced possibly. So if this SC is flipped, this conversation goes to Lauren (see below)


^this was originally flipped, but Ben's mole is on left side so this is the way it should be^



(my own SCs)
^this was flipped originally, but this is the way it should be with Lauren's hair parted this way (same as helicopter shot)

I wouldn't look at his moles, but the direction his curls are pointing at. Seems clear to me that he's talking to JoJo, who's standing on the right.

I don't understand the point being made with these photos that keep getting posted?

Putting the screencaps in order helps to determine the chronology of events on the RC day. There are caps of the FRC that have been released since the premiere that we can fit together to prove the ending.

mindless wrote:

agentcurls wrote:Possible order:
"In another world, I couldn't imagine saying good bye to you." 


^this SC may have been originally flipped. I'm thinking this is the way it's supposed to go because Ben might be missing his mole. Mole is on other side. 

*OR*..there might be an indention and another smaller mole in mid beard-line...it's hard to tell...and it seems fuzzy...maybe TPTB have edited it out? It should be more pronounced possibly. So if this SC is flipped, this conversation goes to Lauren (see below)


^this was originally flipped, but Ben's mole is on left side so this is the way it should be^



(my own SCs)
^this was flipped originally, but this is the way it should be with Lauren's hair parted this way (same as helicopter shot)

I wouldn't look at his moles, but the direction his curls are pointing at. Seems clear to me that he's talking to JoJo, who's standing on the right.

So, if you are saying Jojo is on the right, then she is F1?

^no. Most likely F2 because of the "in another world, I couldn't imagine saying good bye to you" conversation seems to be happening to the right.

^I think they're saying that based on the screencaps, Ben is saying goodbye to a girl who's on the right and that appears to be JoJo.

Okay, thank you for clearing that up...I'm a bit slow when it comes to this techie stuff!

agentcurls wrote:

casjacknick wrote:And (I'm sorry I feel like I need a lesson in sleuthing or something) Jojo on the right is important because she needs to be facing that direction for the proposal so we can see the ring?

Technically, yes...but I am guessing that TPTB might have switched it up this season, meaning Lauren is not "ring side" when Ben puts on the engagement ring. 
If Ben is facing to the right for "In another world, I couldn't imagine saying good bye to you", then he would be saying that to JoJo, (good bye)
I'm not 100% sure that SC isn't flipped. (mole is missing, but may have been edited out)

I can explain this because many, many seasons ago I fell victim to this (it was PLo's season).
I hope this comes out right because it's confusing.
It has to do with camera angle and then add to it tptb flipped stuff so it's very confusing.

First let's take this photo.

At first this appears to be a straight side shot. But it is not. It is taken in back of Ben (we see his rear/back). In order to get this facial shot of Ben and JoJo, she would actually have to be more on the left side of our viewing screen. Think about it. If she were actually looking at Ben and on the right side of our screen, the camera would have to be on Ben's left to a shot of JoJo's face. 
Like this: source  




source

Now let's move on to Lauren. Again the camera pov is from behind Ben vs. right on.

In order to get a photo of Ben straight on like this from a facial angle vs behind

or this which is what we want to see when he proposes: 

The woman has to be on the right of our screen. So that when Ben kneels down to propose the camera has an opening to get the entire couple's facial expressions etc and get the ring shot.

So if we move the camera in this shot to get the couple in showing Ben's body and face as above, Lauren would be on the right of our screen. 
 
source


or this: source


The camera view has to move IN FRONTof Ben vs behind. I hope this makes sense.

casjacknick wrote:But would they seriously edit that out?! That seems silly, right? I mean I don't want to call the producers or editors or whatever silly that seems mean but it seems like a lot of work so that we aren't sure who he's talking to or get the wrong impression. How many people are as observant as you are and looking for a mole? I mean I am just, I guess, defensive all of a sudden because I didn't even realize he had a mole! If that SC of Ben saying in "another world" is not flipped then he is saying that to Lauren? You eagle eyes.... no wonder you can spoil a season without sources.

This is what sleuthing is all about and has been done all 20 seasons.

Kasha super star sleuther!

Kasha ! That was absolutely incredible in how you explained and broke it down !! Consider me impressed!