The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - Episode 9 - Discussion - #2 *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

Kristen Baldwin ‏@KristenGBaldwin
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When do the threads reopen?

After the show has aired on the west coast

Mommyof1 wrote:When do the threads reopen?

Usually after west coast airs.

wow, I like how girls on the show assume that the bachelor feels the same!

It's usually tough to be F2, but this season, it must have been excruciating!
The fall is really from very high for the poor F2.
I feel bad for her, whoever it is.

Were Lauren's brothers following Ben on Twitter? Because they aren't now.

Now we know why f2 stayed in room and cried. Brutal

Sprite wrote:

nutty1 wrote:

Sprite wrote:

Personally, I don't think he slept with all three. Two tops.

JMO...They manipulated him by making him doubt that Lauren cared about him by telling him she hasn't told you she loves you and they told her not to tell him. They also made her date last just to make sure. Then they made him to a whole lot of voiceovers after the fact that would emphasise his telling both of them so that the audience would be beaten over the head with it...just in case we didn't get it.

That doesn't explain the ILY's on their LCD's.

At that point there is only 2 left and a whole episode to film. He can't all of a sudden have clarity or it would all be over. He has to continue the charade. I will be curious to see how it goes down on the LCD's. Do we get straight up ILY, voiceovers, ITM's? Will be interesting for sure.

He is in so much trouble!

Love was in the air!

I kinda feel that he just might have been but perhaps told F1 upfront about the edited show and whatsnot. I'm still a bit suspicious about how Lauren has been promoting the show tho. It's like she'd decided to take a backseat and not get too involved. Can't blame her!

nutty1 wrote:Were Lauren's brothers following Ben on Twitter? Because they aren't now.

That's not a good sign! Maybe now Ben has the other brothers to worry about!!

northernviewer wrote:Im trying to tie this in with what CH said about reminding him about saying he loved someome?  We know the Jojo's date was first and he said ILy to her in the afternoon portion of date.  Did a producer talk to him and convince him that now that he's slipped up it would be best for him to not hold back fom expressing his feelings for both girls???   I have a feeling in his naivete, he was convinced declaring his lve to both was in his best interest.

^Im confused about this too. I no longer think that it was a case where the TPTB overheard an ILY to JoJo and then made Ben come clean. IMO it seems as though Ben fully knew what he was doing all along and knew he'd said ILY to 2 people. Maybe what Chris meant was more of an 'after the fact we discussed with him that he'd said ILY to 2 people and reminded him of the implications of that.' i dont know...just speculating.

I have never been so uncomfortable as when the 3 of them hugged at the rose ceremony and then were made to hang out and toast to love and chat, etc. IMO the producers forced that moment, but ugh, it was beyond cringe worthy. TPTB were probably prodding easch of them to make a toast about what this week meant to them, etc., so they could watch the girls try and read into what was being said, IMO.

I went into this week thinking the storyline being sold to us in the previews of Ben loving two women and telling both he loved them was more of a red herring, but now i really believe he did love both Lauren and Jojo. He was looking at JoJo the way we've seen him look only at Lauren up until this week, IMO. Im kinda freaking out!

I am obsessing over this season and following this forum and the sluething. I've never posted before but I just had to get some of this off my chest! I believe the spoilers and am so loving Ben and Lauren as a couple, but tonight's show really wasn't what i was expecting and I feel a little but sick about it. I hope Ben gained real clarity between this week and the finale and that he really knows what he's doing. I think BenLo have a real shot at a future together, but this must be excruciating for them to watch/live through again.

Thanks for all of your sluething and commentary. Ive enjoyed reading it. I really cannot wait for the finale.

nutty1 wrote:So am I the only one who thinks he slept with all 3 of them?

Also, those who mentioned producer manipulation, in what way? Do you think they coerced him to say ILY that many times to both of them? I am really curious to know your thoughts.

I hope not. I expected more of Ben, but one never knows. Btw, I bet Lauren's parents just loved watching this episode of her clothes scattered all over the floor in the fantasy suite. C'mon TPTB...was that really necessary?