The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - Women Tell All -*Sleuthing - Spoilers*

charmained wrote:

peggy0221 wrote:I personally don't think it is the comfortability (or lack of) being on TV that made Lauren looks bland to many, it is the "moves" she made over the course that at least keep me wonder, there is something very off with this girl. And I get that some people are just move reserved than others and they may not be able to open up easily, but I seldom see contestants who changed their whole demeanor in maybe 2 episodes.

Take Leslie M on Sean's Season as the examples. She is reserved, she is uncomfortable in front of TV, let alone to open up to say those magic words. She has been consistent during the whole process, she didn't change suddenly from "being realistic and level-headed" to "being so crazily in love because Sean is the best man".

In Lauren B's case, I see a dramatic change of her. If she really is that confident woman who knows her values and being realistic that people say she is, I think we won't see those "I see a life life with you", "I'm terrifiying by the strong feelings I have for you (raised the voice for many pitches), "I can't see myself living without Ben now" (all paraphrasing). This is why I think she is here to win.

I get your point, but don't you think it's possible that she really found true love in Ben? Like how do you even explain something that great happening to you? To me, this girl was changed by something she didn't expect she would find in The Bachelor. There were so many moments where she struggled to believe what was happening before her eyes. And then there was a turning point wherein she let go and started believing that what's unfolding is something real and it's too powerful she can't deny it anymore.

I know that it's hard to believe to find true love in The Bachelor, but maybe she really did find it with Ben. You have to believe to see.

peggy0221 wrote:I personally don't think it is the comfortability (or lack of) being on TV that made Lauren looks bland to many, it is the "moves" she made over the course that at least keep me wonder, there is something very off with this girl. And I get that some people are just move reserved than others and they may not be able to open up easily, but I seldom see contestants who changed their whole demeanor in maybe 2 episodes.

Take Leslie M on Sean's Season as the examples. She is reserved, she is uncomfortable in front of TV, let alone to open up to say those magic words. She has been consistent during the whole process, she didn't change suddenly from "being realistic and level-headed" to "being so crazily in love because Sean is the best man".

In Lauren B's case, I see a dramatic change of her. If she really is that confident woman who knows her values and being realistic that people say she is, I think we won't see those "I see a life life with you", "I'm terrifiying by the strong feelings I have for you (raised the voice for many pitches), "I can't see myself living without Ben now" (all paraphrasing). This is why I think she is here to win.

peggy0221 wrote:I personally don't think it is the comfortability (or lack of) being on TV that made Lauren looks bland to many, it is the "moves" she made over the course that at least keep me wonder, there is something very off with this girl. And I get that some people are just move reserved than others and they may not be able to open up easily, but I seldom see contestants who changed their whole demeanor in maybe 2 episodes.

Take Leslie M on Sean's Season as the examples. She is reserved, she is uncomfortable in front of TV, let alone to open up to say those magic words. She has been consistent during the whole process, she didn't change suddenly from "being realistic and level-headed" to "being so crazily in love because Sean is the best man".

In Lauren B's case, I see a dramatic change of her. If she really is that confident woman who knows her values and being realistic that people say she is, I think we won't see those "I see a life life with you", "I'm terrifiying by the strong feelings I have for you (raised the voice for many pitches), "I can't see myself living without Ben now" (all paraphrasing). This is why I think she is here to win.

emusha wrote:hm interesting. I don't feel like i got to know any of these people well other than jubilee and even her it was just the beginning. it's fascinating to see that some felt like they got to know some of the women pretty well.

I wonder if we might be able to list the things we do know about the F2 + F1.It may be that i'm a bit out of the loop....

Jojo -- had a boyfriend till recently, he had her as a 2nd girl while dating another and now after her being on the show is chasing her, this makes her afraid of falling in love again, she does real estate, her family is very well off, her brothers are overprotective, she has a fun and spunky dallas social life though she thinks the guys there aren't great, close with her mom, has a christian foundation,  

Lauren -- had a boyfriend till 6 months ago, she usually falls in love quickly and it's not worked out in her favor in the past, has a family that's very close and strong in their religion, she is a flight attendant but lives in LA, she has a fun and full social life in LA with what seems to be a set of loyal girlfriends, she likes animals, had a dog, likes to party and drink socially, enjoys travel

written out in this way the things we know about them seem pretty even, no? I do think 100% jojo is more able to be raw and vulnerable while lauren is reserved and introverted. I think that's what influences how/whether ppl feel like they know them rather than the actual things we do know about them. For instance, if Lauren talked about her ex-boyfriend and that relationship on the show (which i do think she did but it wasn't aired) ppl might feel they know her better. Social media behavior is also unique to each person.

In any case -- I do think diff personalities "take to" tv differently e.g. think about kipton and jillian ...completely different in how they come across on our tvs and this is after years of being personalities on multiple bachelor shows.

The quieter characters actually rarely ever make the big splash we think they might e.g. think about if lauren's easy to fall in love story was exaggerated at every turn...

However, being quiet doesn't make you relatable. I totally relate to jojo better than I do Lauren -- I don't think that points to either of them being too controlled and not wanting to share things about themselves. I think it's just the diff in their personalities imho

viola-b wrote:

emusha wrote:hm interesting. I don't feel like i got to know any of these people well other than jubilee and even her it was just the beginning. it's fascinating to see that some felt like they got to know some of the women pretty well.

I wonder if we might be able to list the things we do know about the F2 + F1.It may be that i'm a bit out of the loop....

Jojo -- had a boyfriend till recently, he had her as a 2nd girl while dating another and now after her being on the show is chasing her, this makes her afraid of falling in love again, she does real estate, her family is very well off, her brothers are overprotective, she has a fun and spunky dallas social life though she thinks the guys there aren't great, close with her mom, has a christian foundation,  

Lauren -- had a boyfriend till 6 months ago, she usually falls in love quickly and it's not worked out in her favor in the past, has a family that's very close and strong in their religion, she is a flight attendant but lives in LA, she has a fun and full social life in LA with what seems to be a set of loyal girlfriends, she likes animals, had a dog, likes to party and drink socially, enjoys travel

written out in this way the things we know about them seem pretty even, no? I do think 100% jojo is more able to be raw and vulnerable while lauren is reserved and introverted. I think that's what influences how/whether ppl feel like they know them rather than the actual things we do know about them. For instance, if Lauren talked about her ex-boyfriend and that relationship on the show (which i do think she did but it wasn't aired) ppl might feel they know her better. Social media behavior is also unique to each person.

In any case -- I do think diff personalities "take to" tv differently e.g. think about kipton and jillian ...completely different in how they come across on our tvs and this is after years of being personalities on multiple bachelor shows.

The quieter characters actually rarely ever make the big splash we think they might e.g. think about if lauren's easy to fall in love story was exaggerated at every turn...

However, being quiet doesn't make you relatable. I totally relate to jojo better than I do Lauren -- I don't think that points to either of them being too controlled and not wanting to share things about themselves. I think it's just the diff in their personalities imho

I relate to Lauren more than Jojo because Lauren is quiet, and I am more reserved as well. There have been times when Jojo has seemed too changed/in it to win to me, and I think it's maybe because of my own bias/opposite personality that I feel that way. Lauren, to me, has come across as someone who keeps her cards close to her heart, but as her feelings for Ben grew and her time on the bachelor became more stressful, her guard wore down as well, and we saw more of her emotional side.  

Buckeye_Fan wrote:

Longhornfan wrote:

grace8136 wrote:

One of JoJo's good friends is liking a bunch of tweets about JoJo being the next 'ette. That made me think that she's not in a relationship and also that maybe the 'ette role is not a done deal.

https://twitter.com/klanesmith/likes

I don't want to get anything started, so just take what I am about to say with a grain of salt.  I know nothing, okay?  I live in the DFW area, and this morning I was watching the ABC station here, because we were having some strong storms entering our area.  And, I noticed a blip that scrolled across the bottom of the screen that said something about the Bachelor.  So, I backed it up so that I could see it again.  And, all it said was that the Bachelor had been filming here at the Farmers Market and the Botanical Gardens.  I didn't see where it said WHEN this occurred, but it appeared to me that it must have been recently.

But, at the time I felt like it was weird to say the Bachelor, since TB is going to be over in a week.  So, is it possible that you are right, and they have been filming an introductory piece with JoJo within the last few weeks?  And we have been having really beautiful weather here the last couple of months, which is in stark contrast of what the weather was like during JoJo's HTD.  But, all I know is that it definitely said the Bachelor was filming, not the Bachelorette.

Anyway, this is just food for thought.

My guess is that they wouldn't know if it was the Bachelor or Bachelorette.  However, I remember hearing that Chris Siegfried was being filmed shortly before the end of Des' season.  Even though the sleuthers felt there was a great chance Des did choose him, there was speculation that maybe he was being considered to be the next Bachelor - IIRC.

Thanks for the info!