The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - Women Tell All -*Sleuthing - Spoilers*

I don't understand why falling in love with two of them makes a proposal wrong on this show. There have been leads who I don't think fell in love with anyone and still proposed. Does that make it better?

Ben actually opened himself up to both relationships, I don't think falling in love with someone else under the shows circumstances makes the love for the one you ultimately chose any less. He actually had two women that he loved and could make it work with. He just ended up choosing the one he loved more and couldn't say goodbye too. Makes me think he stands a better chance in the long haul because he had two amazing relationships.

aviej wrote:If Ben did in fact not tell his F1 until after he proposed and she accepted, I think it's a cowardly move TBH. Look at Des. She fessed up that she loved Brooks and she was able to explain to him why she is now ready to receive his love instead of tricking him into a proposal. This is just wrong to me. Ben lost some points here.

Hard to know what he said since we have only seen the preview. I'll wait until I see the whole thing before I jump down his throat. Ben has shown himself to be extremely honest thus far. Too honest, so I will give him the benefit of the doubt until then.

Fingersandtoes wrote:According to Ben himself, he told his F1 after the FRC about being in love with the F2 as well. And we saw him tell it to JoJo before..

I feel like tptb have just given up in their editing this season. Way to many interview/ edit slips that point to the outcome.

aviej wrote:

Georgia Lindsay wrote:Can anyone who recorded the show, post word for word what Amanda said. I know part of it was "Ben is going to be a great daddy and I'm happy for him". This was after Ben said he's happiest he's ever been and would marry that girl (his F1) tomorrow. To me that was the biggest clue it's Lauren, Amanda could not stop smiling, I think if Ben broke Lauren's heart, and/or was with JoJo, Amanda she would not have been so nice to him, JMO Thanks, y'all are the best.

Hmm I did hear something like that. But I also saw her reaction when the preview was aired. She seemed really pissed off. To me, in the WTA, Becca had the more pleasant disposition throughout. As to whether it has anything to do with the F1 we'll see.

I saw it too. Amanda was pi@@ed off. Hmmm, makes me wonder.

Oh btw, the look in the audience after the preview was priceless.

Its one thing for him to propose and another for either one of them to say yes! Are they that desperate for a proposal? would have made more sense to reject his proposal and opt to date while he gets his head straight. Who in the real world would accept a proposal from a guy who loves 2women? This season is the pits honestly. Have some respect for yourselves Lauren and Jojo!

soccermom333 wrote:

aviej wrote:

Georgia Lindsay wrote:Can anyone who recorded the show, post word for word what Amanda said. I know part of it was "Ben is going to be a great daddy and I'm happy for him". This was after Ben said he's happiest he's ever been and would marry that girl (his F1) tomorrow. To me that was the biggest clue it's Lauren, Amanda could not stop smiling, I think if Ben broke Lauren's heart, and/or was with JoJo, Amanda she would not have been so nice to him, JMO Thanks, y'all are the best.

Hmm I did hear something like that. But I also saw her reaction when the preview was aired. She seemed really pissed off. To me, in the WTA, Becca had the more pleasant disposition throughout. As to whether it has anything to do with the F1 we'll see.

I saw it too.  Amanda was pi@@ed off.  Hmmm, makes me wonder.

She looked like that during the whole show so I don't see any difference.

soccermom333 wrote:

aviej wrote:

Georgia Lindsay wrote:Can anyone who recorded the show, post word for word what Amanda said. I know part of it was "Ben is going to be a great daddy and I'm happy for him". This was after Ben said he's happiest he's ever been and would marry that girl (his F1) tomorrow. To me that was the biggest clue it's Lauren, Amanda could not stop smiling, I think if Ben broke Lauren's heart, and/or was with JoJo, Amanda she would not have been so nice to him, JMO Thanks, y'all are the best.

Hmm I did hear something like that. But I also saw her reaction when the preview was aired. She seemed really pissed off. To me, in the WTA, Becca had the more pleasant disposition throughout. As to whether it has anything to do with the F1 we'll see.

I saw it too.  Amanda was pi@@ed off.  Hmmm, makes me wonder.

Knowing what happened and seeing it for yourself is different. Imo.

Maybe it makes me unromantic but going forward I hope they go back to not showing any ILYs until the FRC. The ILY vomit this season is just too much for me and cheapens the relationships. Yes I realize that's the opposite of what most would probably think.

see2love wrote:Its one thing for him to propose and another for either one of them to say yes! Are they that desperate for a proposal? would have made more sense to reject his proposal and opt to date while he gets his head straight. Who in the real world would accept a proposal from a guy who loves 2women? This season is the pits honestly. Have some respect for yourselves Lauren and Jojo!

nothatgirl wrote:

Fingersandtoes wrote:He did keep JoJo in the loop and didn't blindside her. The loop wasn't very nice, but she was well aware.

Only when she forced it though. He told her he loved her multiple times and it was only when she was crying hysterically on a bathroom floor and straight up asked her that he admitted the truth. To me, that's not really being honest, just being resigned to the fact that the truth will get out so might as well fess to it. IMO.

Exactly! He was asked and he answered. He did not volunteer it. Big difference. I am going to watch next week and give him the benefit of doubt, maybe he told Lauren too. Maybe they won't show it, but I bet Lauren asked too.

All the screen caps I have seen plus post show evidence points to Lauren as the F1. IMHO

That's is what I rely on not the editing of what happened. This season has been very choppy.

All IMHO