The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - Scaps - Discussion - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

julychild wrote:Since we've spent a lot of time this season analysing previews for the real thing to turn out to be different, I'm not sure why to do this, but here goes:

I think Ben tells her in the room that he loves Lauren, too. She runs off into the bathroom to cry, he follows her and she asks for something to hold on to as reassurance.

If he's told her he loves both of them, she'll need to  know the difference so she won't be scared....or something

That's how I saw it as well. I really don't think that conversation started in the bathroom. He said something in the room that made it clear to JoJo that his ILY means squat, so she fled to the bathroom, because she didn't want to break down in front of the cameras. JMO. It'll be interesting to see what exactly he says and whether he volunteers that information. Not gonna give him any credit just yet.

I can't bring the SC over..But last week they showed CH walking with Lauren,He was smiling...And a sc of Ben smile at the podium, and This week They showed Lauren smile walking by herself.I believe these all go together! JMO

Thanks for doing the SCs, Ladybug!

sophienette wrote:

tennischick80 wrote:

sophienette wrote:I have one thought watching the preview quickly for the first time: the "I love you and I'm in love with you" to JoJo... we dont SEE him say right?

No, why? She does reply, "But you love her, too..."

Ignore me, just rewatched and the scene on the beach I was thinking off, we actually see him say it

I just saw this preview posted on YouTube:



and just re-watched there for the first time. I hear a number of audio edits in it - same sort of things that you and I both found in the original preview - so IMO this is another one where things are both leading and misleading at the same time. Even the repeats from the first preview are now edited to look a bit different than they did at first but still may not have actually happened in that order. IMO this one is ripe for doing the same kind of analysis that we did on the first one.

For example - that beach scene with JoJo - we SEE him say "you know that I love with you" and HEAR him also say "and that I'm in love with you" and while he's saying something to JoJo - those may NOT be the words he's saying because we can't SEE him say "and that I'm in love with you". The editors pulled this very trick on the FD with JoJo where we hear Ben talking in an ITM and see JoJo talking to Ben and Ben reacting (rubbing the back of his neck) but we have no clue what JoJo is actually saying.

These screen caps seem to all go together: They would all be Lauren's MTP date.

And these appear to be from JoJo's MTP date: 

These screen caps all go in the sequence: JoJo's LCD


I think these bathroom screen caps come in here too. 

These must come after, but it appears Ben is wearing the same shirt as above.


I think even though the lighting is different, it is still the same sequence

I'm guessing Lauren has the second mtp date since his mom on Lauren's date is wearing the same outfit we saw her in the preview where she as weirded out by him loving both of them

Crazylady29 wrote:I'm guessing Lauren has the second mtp date since his mom on Lauren's date is wearing the same outfit we saw her in the preview where she as weirded out by him loving both of them

Good observation! 

Kashathediva wrote:These screen caps seem to all go together: They would all be Lauren's MTP date.

the 3rd one is from the morning after FD

JoJo's LCD day portion: 


Same tee shirt below on Ben as above in first photo: 

These all go together: