The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - Scaps - Discussion - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

Seabear wrote:I think your analysis makes sense.  Ben is such an emotional wreck over the "breakup" he definitely needs some extended time to try to pull himself together for the "proposal."

I think that the limo shot where Ben closes the door is when he arrives. I think that Ben stayed at this estate while in Jamaica and they gave him a limo ride from the house to the exit so he didn't have to walk. So he gets out of the limo, closes it, and head over to CH. If you watch his body language/mannerisms, he doesn't seem like he let someone go, it looks like he is adjusting his suit and emotional to propose to Lauren, IMO. I believe that Jojo was sent home the day before, which is when Ben is in the navy blue tshirt and we see him saying "I do love you." When he says that, IMO he doesn't look like he is professing his love, more of just providing comfort to Jojo that his feelings of love were indeed real. In the preview, the ITMs with Ben is his FRC suit where we can actually see him saying words, IMO he is very emotional about proposing to Lauren (in a good way).

ETA: Also, based on my sleuthing of FRC location, IMO there is a part in the preview where he says, " [Any other time] I couldn't imagine saying goodbye to you" and I think that is part of his proposal to Lauren, based on the background. After that scene, it cuts to a voice over of "but I know that I'm always gonna miss you" which is probably what he says during his breakup the previous day with Jojo. JMO.

bronco18 wrote:

Seabear wrote:I think your analysis makes sense.  Ben is such an emotional wreck over the "breakup" he definitely needs some extended time to try to pull himself together for the "proposal."

So after I posted that analysis I watched the preview a few times, I have this to say (bringing over from another thread):

I think that the limo shot where Ben closes the door is when he arrives. I think that Ben stayed at this estate while in Jamaica and they gave him a limo ride from the house to the exit so he didn't have to walk. So he gets out of the limo, closes it, and head over to CH. If you watch his body language/mannerisms, he doesn't seem like he let someone go, it looks like he is adjusting his suit and emotional to propose to Lauren, IMO. I believe that Jojo was sent home the day before, which is when Ben is in the navy blue tshirt and we see him saying "I do love you." When he says that, IMO he doesn't look like he is professing his love, more of just providing comfort to Jojo that his feelings of love were indeed real. In the preview, the ITMs with Ben is his FRC suit where we can actually see him saying words, IMO he is very emotional about proposing to Lauren (in a good way).

ETA: Also, based on my sleuthing of FRC location, IMO there is a part in the preview where he says, " [Any other time] I couldn't imagine saying goodbye to you" and I think that is part of his proposal to Lauren, based on the background. After that scene, it cuts to a voice over of "but I know that I'm always gonna miss you" which is probably what he says during his breakup the previous day with Jojo. JMO.

I think you could be on to something here. Is there no chance that he said goodbye wearing the green t-shirt that he wears while sitting down at the FRC place crying like crazy? Sending the F2 home early would also be an first… (although RS says there was an normal FRC)…

Miyala wrote:

bronco18 wrote:

Seabear wrote:I think your analysis makes sense.  Ben is such an emotional wreck over the "breakup" he definitely needs some extended time to try to pull himself together for the "proposal."

So after I posted that analysis I watched the preview a few times, I have this to say (bringing over from another thread):

I think that the limo shot where Ben closes the door is when he arrives. I think that Ben stayed at this estate while in Jamaica and they gave him a limo ride from the house to the exit so he didn't have to walk. So he gets out of the limo, closes it, and head over to CH. If you watch his body language/mannerisms, he doesn't seem like he let someone go, it looks like he is adjusting his suit and emotional to propose to Lauren, IMO. I believe that Jojo was sent home the day before, which is when Ben is in the navy blue tshirt and we see him saying "I do love you." When he says that, IMO he doesn't look like he is professing his love, more of just providing comfort to Jojo that his feelings of love were indeed real. In the preview, the ITMs with Ben is his FRC suit where we can actually see him saying words, IMO he is very emotional about proposing to Lauren (in a good way).

ETA: Also, based on my sleuthing of FRC location, IMO there is a part in the preview where he says, " [Any other time] I couldn't imagine saying goodbye to you" and I think that is part of his proposal to Lauren, based on the background. After that scene, it cuts to a voice over of "but I know that I'm always gonna miss you" which is probably what he says during his breakup the previous day with Jojo. JMO.

I think you could be on to something here. Is there no chance that he said goodbye wearing the green t-shirt that he wears while sitting down at the FRC place crying like crazy? Sending the F2 home early would also be an first… (although RS says there was an normal FRC)…

bronco18 wrote:

Miyala wrote:

bronco18 wrote:

So after I posted that analysis I watched the preview a few times, I have this to say (bringing over from another thread):



I think you could be on to something here. Is there no chance that he said goodbye wearing the green t-shirt that he wears while sitting down at the FRC place crying like crazy? Sending the F2 home early would also be an first… (although RS says there was an normal FRC)…

There is an ITM of Ben in the green shirt with the background at the estate wear we see him say, "I told 2 women I love them this week." IMO, this is an ITM reflecting on the Fantasy Suites which is believed to be when Ben told 2 women he loved them (I think earlier discussed in this thread). So, I think maybe he's trying to figure out what to do, or he knows he has to send one home and he just breaks down or something? Assuming the crying scene and the ITM are the same shirt, it could be before either of the LCDs happened and he was just a wreck. JMO

jcrbil wrote:I'm speculating that Ben was "in the moment" with each of them- and good for him to being unguarded.  But then I also think he realized what a grave error he made- even telling one he loved her before the very end.  He would know at that point that it was going to be almost impossible to redeem the breakup with f2.  No wonder he was so tense when he was chatting with his parents.

jcrbil wrote:I'm speculating that Ben was "in the moment" with each of them- and good for him to being unguarded.  But then I also think he realized what a grave error he made- even telling one he loved her before the very end.  He would know at that point that it was going to be almost impossible to redeem the breakup with f2.  No wonder he was so tense when he was chatting with his parents.

AllAboutLove wrote:Someone posted it happened in Mexico City already?


It's funny though because in Australia Ben is being called the "Pashelor" (pash means kiss).

jcrbil wrote:I'm speculating that Ben was "in the moment" with each of them- and good for him to being unguarded.  But then I also think he realized what a grave error he made- even telling one he loved her before the very end.  He would know at that point that it was going to be almost impossible to redeem the breakup with f2.  No wonder he was so tense when he was chatting with his parents.

Didn't expect to see this again [ long pause] so soon

I really tried to concentrate and make each relationship its own, and stay open to the process, and as a result, this is where it's left us