The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - Scaps - Discussion - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

You can see what looks like a red strap for her dress/top in the second one. I bet if we compared that to her past outfits we would see that's this is from earlier this season.

Oh nevermind, that was surprisingly easy to find out. They're from the episode 3 cocktail party. Editors trying to be sneaky.

mindless wrote:Oh nevermind, that was surprisingly easy to find out. They're from the episode 3 cocktail party. Editors trying to be sneaky.

:shocked!: Say it isn't so! We've never had that happen before.

Is this Becca? It's from yesterday's preview

^Yes. I think it's from the Mexico City RC.

umngirl wrote:^Yes. I think it's from the Mexico City RC.

Thanks!

So it's a lot of old scenes and no signs of a switch other than the mirror image of the limo to make people think it's facing the other way from last weeks Promo. What do we actually have to think he actually changed his mind after letting a girl go? I really think they are just trying to make us think the ending is crazier than it will actually be other than the two I love you and lots of tears.

sophienette wrote:I just want to say there is 1 sentence, said by Jojo, which could be key...

'I don't want to hurt him'

sophienette wrote:What it COULD mean is that she realizes she doesn't want to marry him? or something... pretty much mutual break up pre FRC.

Interesting theory - IMO with merit. I think that a mutual break-up pre FRC could be why they left the "I won't blindside you" comment in - a mutual breakup would not be a blindside. I also think that the preview showing Ben saying "[Honestly] I do love you" to one woman and "[This is really hard for me because] I've known I'm in love with you for a while" to another could tie into this theory.

A couple of observations I've made about the two "I love you" cited above:

One is that while we search for the thing that happens that we've never seen before, ABC and CH (on the live show) have presented that Ben tells two women he loves them is what we've never seen before. Of course that's not true because we have seen that before as several posters have pointed out - I just think it's BS on the part of the show and they are banking on the bulk of the viewing audience to not remember (or maybe never saw) previous shows where this also happened.

Another observation is that there is a night and day difference (to me anyway) between how Ben says what he says. When Ben says "I do love you" to one woman he is conversational in his tone of voice and almost business-like in his facial expressions. I'm not saying he's lying - just that in that moment I don't think he feels deep love. When Ben says "I've known I'm in love with you for a while" his voice is tender and he looks at that woman lovingly and with great sincerity and to me he looks like he really means what he is saying - he's feeling that love at that moment and it comes across to the camera. And the last observation is that in the context of this show, there is a difference between the words "I love you" and "I'm in love with you". "I love you" can mean "I love the person you are" (which was how Sean explained his feelings for Lindsay Yenter) or can be the kind of love you feel for a good friend; you can love many people in life (and most of us do). "I'm in love with you" seems to be used for a "romantic" kind of love - the love that is felt between two people who want to marry, raise a family and spend the rest of their lives together; it's a kind of love that is exclusive (hopefully) to one person.

IMO Ben says "I do love you" to his F2 and it's a tightly cropped "frankenbite" because if they showed the entire context of the conversation it would look very different - and they don't want us to see the full context yet. IMO Ben says "I've known I'm in love with you for a while" to his F1 and in context it means exactly what it seems.

Reading my mind Lucas? 

sophienette wrote:Reading my mind Lucas? 

So it seems ...

I have a couple questions regarding the last preview. Why is Ben calling someone after he has decided to propose, or maybe it's TPTB editing. Also what is with the Helicopter? the girls arrive in the Limos. Could it possibly be that Ben is having parents arrive to witness the proposal? That's never been done before and that's why he's calling (we assume) his Mom. Just a thought IMO.

I think I recall, back during filming, that there was an IG post by Ben's parents flying back to Indiana after their time in Jamaica. Pretty sure it was before the proposal... but if anyone wants to go back to check...

And I agree with the poster(s) who think that the phone call is similar to "the letter" in Sean's season.... and I think when they air the finale they will go to CH/commercial just the same way.