MAFS - Neil and Samantha - *Sleuthing - Spoilers* - Discussion

SomeGuy wrote:

CountryGal wrote:This is my favorite couple since Cortney and Jason. I think Neil is adorable and so kind. Sam's is a great person too - think back to her bachelorette party and how happy and grateful she was for her friends support. I completely believe she can find that with Neil too. She just needs to relax and have an open mind. I can only imagine the amount of stress these individuals are dealing with on this show. She deserves some forgiveness and I think Neil is forgiving enough to give her the second chance she needs. I get the feeling these two are still together and happy as can be IMO.

Are we talking about Ms. Ritalin 2016?

It seems that SM points to Niel and Sam being together. Nonetheless, I find her behavior verges on rude and self-centered to a fault. Neil's tolerance for this behavior is, in part, amazing patience and, in part, puzzling acceptance of bad behavior.

Like I said, I can only imagine the amount of anxiety these individuals feel. Everyone responds to that level of stress differently. Also, we're only seeing like 10 minutes of each fight/altercation they've had. I just get the feeling she's a genuinely good person who is generally grateful for the good things she has. Neil isn't valued yet, but once he is I think she'll be good to him like she is to all of her friends.

Also, I don't believe he's a doormat. He is just patient and smart. He realizes that when she's upset, him yelling or illegitimizing her feelings will do no good. If he was a doormat, he would have stayed in her house for the rest of the 6 weeks.

I have a feeling he really likes her too. He is a sweetheart.

IA that coping with producers, camera crew, and equipment on top of "last week I didn't know this person from Adam's cat" has to be challenge. Cortney and Jason (S1) have talked about this. IMHO, the producers have opted to edit for "reality show drama" rather than an attempt at neutral reporting. We're certainly getting a less than full account of any event. I suppose "diary-cam" reports are closer to reality than anything else, and obviously they're edited, too.

All of that said, I stand by my remarks about Sam and Neil above.

There are only so many things I can excuse. A person with any sort of manners or empathy wouldn't put down someone's masculinity on a regular basis and turn everything around and make it their fault. She can dish it but she certainly can't take it, not even a little bit of it. Neil thought they were moving back to her place temporarily while they look for a new place, but then she informed him while moving that they'll actually just stay there, since it's OK with her roomie, but he's not getting a key or any closet space. Then when he speaks up about wanting that new place they were supposed to get, she gets pissy and tells Dr. Cilona that she's frustrated because Neil changed his mind and wouldn't say so right away, but the next day (?). She's the one who changed the plans in the first place! And kicking him out of the house, because he was being sarcastic with her after she once again called his behaviour fake? That's just insane behaviour. She's so immature and unstable. I can see Neil putting up with her crazy, because he seems to be the one person on this show who doesn't even consider divorce an option, perhaps because his grandparents were arranged and made it work. That however doesn't mean that he doesn't deserve much better. She clearly hasn't changed much, since she was throwing her toys out of the pram on Twitter last week. It'll be exhausting living with her in the long run unless she gets a new personality.

IMHO "I learned from the best" from Neil was ...um... ill-advised. I cannot see "nice" way to take it. I do see it as a brief glimpse of his frustration with and anger about Sam's general behavior. In that regard, it's not a surprise. But a smart thing to say? Nah.

Hubby and I are in agreement that this is the most iffy of the couples. Unless Sam shows more consideration, no man, no matter how dedicated he is to making it work, is going to stick around forever.
I strongly suspect that she was Daddy's spoiled girl growing up. Though growing up a military brat means moving around, that is no excuse. If dad was deployed a lot, Mom did not set enough boundaries. ( I will site my own experiences with my soldier's family support group. The parent on the home-front not dealing with bratty behavior and blaming it on the stress of deployment. While other children going through the same stress are well behaved because the parent at home expects better.)

Neil is definitely not a doormat. He's considerate and might lack in communication skills, but he makes up fr that in patience and tolerance. IMO he's deserving of much better then he is getting.

Posting these articles here in Sam's thread too.

The Knot

DailyMail Online

(clink for articles, link is too long)

This is the biggest round of remorse since Jamie and Doug. At least Sam doesn't seem to be all about TV face time...

I love them cooking together and she complimenting him it was a good episode tonight for them.

Hi all! I caught some of the last episode, which lead me to google, which lead to this article:

http://starcasm.net/archives/338816

It's nice to see this forum get a little credit and a link! And shame on me for not checking here first for the best scoop.

TNX! While a bit gushy, and maybe a bit soft factually, this seems to be a good handle on things. Follow the link back to an S2 article.

Do totally opposite attract? Well not on this show. Neal is a passive aggressive person, while Sam is a no filter in your face type of person. Yet when Neal gave it back to her, she threw a temper tantrum. It also seems that Neal is always mellow and Sam is bi-polar.