Re: Josh Murray - Bachelorette 10 - Discussion - #9

by Kashathediva Thu Nov 26, 2015 12:18 am

There are a whole lot of reasons not to do BIP imo.
There are a whole lot of reasons not to do reality tv period, imo.
But if you need money and desire/crave fame perhaps those reasons go out the window, unless you truly have a competitive bent and then TB is not the venue I would think you'd go. I think TAR or Survivor.
With that being said I do think Josh and perhaps family think they are all that and a box of rocks. JMOAA. They all seem to have great smiles and great white teeth, again IMO.

by Bet2Win Thu Nov 26, 2015 2:18 am

Josh is just a guy, many put him on a pedestal for whatever reason, while others didn't. It's not his fault that those that put him on a pedestal didn't like his warts after all.

But, I do think he fell for his own TPTB created image, and why he appears arrogant to some. Hard not to buy into the adoration frenzy, but once gone, he's left with the fall out.

Doing another TV reality show, to me, strengthens the opinions that feel he likes the adoration/fame. There's a ton of ways to make money, not so many ways to have/get/keep fans.

Josh doesn't bother me, but I also don't see any reason to have put him on a pedestal in the first place ...he's just another guy.

by AnandaMarie Thu Nov 26, 2015 2:25 am

Beach Lover wrote:
AnandaMarie wrote:I think the only reason he didn't do BIP is because he foolishly thought that people wanted him to be the next bachelor and he thought he had a chance. It's a little delusional but he seemed to think that people loved him and would choose him over the guys from Kaitlyn's season.

This may be the opinion of someone that dislikes Josh and therefore would not want him to be the lead or think he had a chance at it. But it does not speak for all people. Apparently there are many people that do love Josh and did want him as the lead based on the Twitter and IG support he was getting. Do those voices not count? I would have liked him as the lead. Does my opinion not count? RS seemed to think he had a very good chance of getting it and he's been right more than he's been wrong. Sophienette had a poll on Twitter where Josh was in the lead the majority, if not the entire time. I don't think it would have been at all foolish or delusional for him to think he had a chance, if that's why he chose not to do BIP. But I think there were plenty of other reasons for him not to.

I'm still excited for Ben and think he'll be a great Bachelor. As much as I would have loved Josh as the lead, there were former JODI fans that would not support him because they felt it would have been disrespectful of Andi. Her happiness is their priority in my opinion, not his. I just think it's sad that so many turned on him and couldn't support them both individually in moving on with their lives. But that's what happens so often in breakups. People take sides and the other one becomes public enemy #1.

RS said that Josh had a chance at the beginning of the season, BEFORE fans got to know the guys from Kaitlyn's season. As for Sophienette's poll, I'm pretty sure less than 5000 people voted in the poll. More than 5 million people watch the show. I'm sure her poll was well intentioned and I love the videos she makes, but I don't think the result of the poll was an accurate representation of what the majority of fans wanted. Similiarly, Josh did get tweets and instagram comments from fans who wanted him to be the bachelor but he probably didn't get more than 1000 tweets. Again, not an accurate representation of Bachelor fans. In fact, Ben had maybe 10 times the number of tweets that Josh had.
As for picking sides, you clearly seem to have picked Josh's side which is fine. Some chose to pick the other side, that's fine as well. If Josh was so great, why didn't everybody pick his side instead? I also really don't think a few JODI fans were able to convince producers otherwise. The producers will pick the person who they think will give the show the best ratings. They don't care about how Andi feels. They picked Ben because they thought Ben was more well liked than Josh and they thought he'd be a better bachelor who would bring in better ratings.

by Guest Thu Nov 26, 2015 8:06 am

I don't think Ben had 10x the amount that Josh did, there were 2 Ben's that people were voting for Ben H and Ben Z so that may have made it look that way.
Maybe Josh didn't do BIP because he didn't know of any former contestant that he was actually interested it.
Funny that everyone is calling him arrogant, I've always followed him on Twitter and anyone who has ever met him has always posted about what a sweet guy he was and how he is so down to earth. In 2 years there's probably been thousands of posts about him and literally none saying anything bad about him

by **GuardianAngel** Thu Nov 26, 2015 11:17 am

AnandaMarie wrote:
As for picking sides, you clearly seem to have picked Josh's side which is fine. Some chose to pick the other side, that's fine as well. If Josh was so great, why didn't everybody pick his side instead? snipped.

Why is there the need to choose side's to begin with? If Josh got back with his ex, would he be loved all over again? What factors determines who's side to pick? If he didn't participate in any reality tv or any media, and the ex did, is that ok? Is that fair?

It's silly IMO to choose any sides. I have several friends over the years that divorced or split, I'm not about to chose sides regardless of who's decision it was to end the relationship and trash the other. I liked them together, and I like them separated. I respect their decision, it's their life and they make decisions that they feel are the best choice for them. I was in the same boat years ago, no one chose sides. Everyone who were our friends, remained friends. Often times, after 25+ years when their kids are getting married, we are both invited to weddings and special family occasions. Just had another wedding this past August.

We may not agree with what Josh is doing with his life, but same goes for the ex, and IMO it doesn't have any weight in choosing sides. They are all the same. One goes on reality tv, the other writes a book about her break up.

by AllAboutLove Thu Nov 26, 2015 4:01 pm

I don't pick sides.
I never cared for F1 or lead from A's season so I am all good. :Nod: giggling

by **Linds911** Thu Nov 26, 2015 4:51 pm

Same here...I may not agree with things they are currently doing but I never felt a need to pick a side.

by Guest Thu Nov 26, 2015 10:08 pm

Joshs grandfather passed away when filming of BIP was going on. There were pictures of Josh spending time with him shortly before he passed so I wonder if he didn't do BIP because of that. I don't think it had anything to do with him being arrogant, thinking he's too good for the show. It could very well be that he has a big heart for his family and wanted to be there with them.

by AnandaMarie Fri Nov 27, 2015 12:07 am

Loveinterest wrote:Joshs grandfather passed away when filming of BIP was going on. There were pictures of Josh spending time with him shortly before he passed so I wonder if he didn't do BIP because of that. I don't think it had anything to do with him being arrogant, thinking he's too good for the show. It could very well be that he has a big heart for his family and wanted to be there with them.

I doubt. If his grandfather passed away DURING filming, then his grandfather is probably not the reason he didn't do the show because he would have already turned it down by then. He would have said no to the producers BEFORE they started filming and before his grandfather passed away. I don't think it has anything to do with his grandfather. He is arrogant but in my opinion, that's not why he didn't do BIP. I think he wanted to be the bachelor based on all those tweets he favorited and he thought he had a chance.

by AnandaMarie Fri Nov 27, 2015 12:30 am

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I remember him saying that he wanted to stay away from the drama and while I think his main reason for not doing BIP was because he wanted to be the bachelor, I think he also looked down on the show and thought he was too good for it because it was too much drama. And now he does Famously Single which is probably even worse than BIP. I guess when money and fame is involved, he welcomes the drama. It would be interesting to see if he does BIP next year.

by mysthelma Fri Nov 27, 2015 4:36 am

AnandaMarie wrote:Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I remember him saying that he wanted to stay away from the drama and while I think his main reason for not doing BIP was because he wanted to be the bachelor, I think he also looked down on the show and thought he was too good for it because it was too much drama. And now he does Famously Single which is probably even worse than BIP. I guess when money and fame is involved, he welcomes the drama. It would be interesting to see if he does BIP next year.

You are right he did looked down on BIP like it was beneath him. I remember someone asked him on Twitter why he wasn't on it and his response was something like " hell no he is not into that kind of drama".
About his arrogance I think I read in one of the threads Jade said he was arrogant when she met him. I don't even think that is debatable it was clear on the show he thought way too highly of himself like he was better than everyone imo

by Guest Fri Nov 27, 2015 11:11 am

His grandfather was declining and he probably knew that he would pass while filming would be going on. I don't think he appeared arrogant on the show at all and he was well respected and got along with all the guys and appears to still have friendships with many of them. Most who have met him have said he is sincere and kind. I'm happy he is doing this new show and look forward to seeing him on TV again. As far as him thinking he was going to be the next bachelor, there did seem to be a strong desire from Bachelor nation. His popularity is high for a F1. He has more followers than Chris Soules and even Ben and most if not all of the other males. I think he is liked by a lot more people than disliked. I for one appreciate his pearly white smile, love of family and God and that he's not perfect, but a flawed human like the rest of us who puts himself out there. All of this is JMHO.

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