Re: The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - Social Media - Vids - Media - *Sleuthing - Spoilers* - #2

by jcrbil Fri Nov 20, 2015 4:59 am

GA- I don't know your source, and it may be stellar, but I'm thinking that if it's a resort employee, it's very probable that they've all left the resort, but that Ben and his f1 and a handler or two have been left behind on the island somewhere else- or even gone to another island. So the source would be correct, just not able to give us more info.

by **GuardianAngel** Fri Nov 20, 2015 5:21 am

jcrbil wrote:GA- I don't know your source, and it may be stellar, but I'm thinking that if it's a resort employee, it's very probable that they've all left the resort, but that Ben and his f1 and a handler or two have been left behind on the island somewhere else- or even gone to another island. So the source would be correct, just not able to give us more info.

Re the bold, that's exactly correct. I do not know Ben's whereabouts. The only reason I think filming might have been a day or two earlier is because Ben's parents left on Tuesday, and Caila knew Wednesday morning, the speculated FRC day, the day the photographer was working, CH's skype date, that she was leaving the next day. So if the FRC was Wednesday, and she knew Wednesday morning her itinerary for travel, she was either let go early, Ben's parents didn't stay one more day for the FRC, or it was a day or two earlier.

If the FRC was Wednesday, I would think Ben's parents would have gone to Jamaica Thursday to Thursday, rather than Tuesday to Tuesday. Or if they left on the weekend before I could see Wednesday as the FRC. It only takes a few days to film MTP's. Why go for 7 days then leave the day before the FRC. Just trying to sort out if they put Caila through the dreaded F2 position only to be let go at the podium or if she was let go early.

by jcrbil Fri Nov 20, 2015 5:35 am

Do we know when Ben's parents arrived? Since they are flown in by production and their rooms are paid by production, I don't think they would necessarily stay for a full week- they could go for the equivalent of a long weekend. Just as there is no "rule" to say that they would stay beyond the FRC, there is nothing to say that they would leave before the FRC.

by MiniDiva Fri Nov 20, 2015 5:36 am

^^I checked Matt Dunn's IG and while he was in Jamaica on November 18th saying he was working a long day, he was in Miami the night before having dinner with his GF. He was not in Jamaica on November 17th. If he is involved with the show, why would he only be there one day on November 18th if it wasn't for FRC unless it was after-FRC publicity shots of Ben and his F1 which is a possibility.

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by mindless Fri Nov 20, 2015 5:48 am

I'm not sure how long the trip from Jamaica to Warsaw is, but if it's anything like the trip from the Bahamas, then it takes a while. So the parents probably had to leave in the morning sometime. If the FRC was on Wednesday and they wanted to stay until then, then their departure would've been pushed to Thursday. That's two extra nights for no real reason. And if all the crew was travelling on Thursday, then maybe they wanted the parents to be gone before that. I think an extra day or two at the resort after MTP was filmed (perhaps Sunday) sounds reasonable and fair for making them travel all that way, but 3-4 days is pushing it. I still think everything points to the FRC being on Wednesday, since they wouldn't fly in a fashion photographer from Miami for one day after the FRC.

Oh and CH didn't say it was FRC day in that skype call with GMA. They mentioned that it was one of the last days of filming, not THE last. So your average viewer wouldn't be thinking that they'll all fly home the next day. If they have some reason to mislead then that's vague enough IMO.

by **GuardianAngel** Fri Nov 20, 2015 6:35 am

MiniDiva wrote:^^I checked Matt Dunn's IG and while he was in Jamaica on November 18th saying he was working a long day, he was in Miami the night before having dinner with his GF. He was not in Jamaica on November 17th. If he is involved with the show, why would he only be there one day on November 18th if it wasn't for FRC unless it was after-FRC publicity shots of Ben and his F1 which is a possibility.

Source

Thank you. I was about to go on a hunt and try to sleuth the location he was set up at which would have taken me all day and away from my work. (Which is the real reason I wanted to investigate) laugh out loud

by GreenGoddess Fri Nov 20, 2015 7:20 am

mindless wrote:I'm not sure how long the trip from Jamaica to Warsaw is, but if it's anything like the trip from the Bahamas, then it takes a while. So the parents probably had to leave in the morning sometime. If the FRC was on Wednesday and they wanted to stay until then, then their departure would've been pushed to Thursday. That's two extra nights for no real reason. And if all the crew was travelling on Thursday, then maybe they wanted the parents to be gone before that. I think an extra day or two at the resort after MTP was filmed (perhaps Sunday) sounds reasonable and fair for making them travel all that way, but 3-4 days is pushing it. I still think everything points to the FRC being on Wednesday, since they wouldn't fly in a fashion photographer from Miami for one day after the FRC.

Oh and CH didn't say it was FRC day in that skype call with GMA. They mentioned that it was one of the last days of filming, not THE last. So your average viewer wouldn't be thinking that they'll all fly home the next day. If they have some reason to mislead then that's vague enough IMO.

Indianapolis to Kingston Jamaica is a 5-6 hr flight time. That's including a plane change in either Miami or Atlanta. I thought I read somewhere that the parents flew down the first part of last week, and according to GA they flew back on Tues. So that would be a week down there. IMO they had the FRC while they were still there since they were there for a week. And there are afternoon flights leaving that would have gotten them back to Indianapolis that same night.

by momoftrips Fri Nov 20, 2015 7:26 am

CH at Atlanta airport yesterday.

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by mtnlvr55 Fri Nov 20, 2015 7:41 am

^^Who is the person with his back to the picture carrying a bookbag? Is that crew or is that Ben?
(not the hairy one: I know that's Elan.. giggling

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by **GuardianAngel** Fri Nov 20, 2015 7:46 am

mtnlvr55 wrote:^^Who is the person with his back to the picture carrying a bookbag? Is that crew or is that Ben?
(not the hairy one: I know that's Elan.. )

Thanks MOT's!

Well maybe. He has what looks like a phony beard, and hairy arms like his promo pic. I need to exam further.

ETA: I don't think so. His hair isn't cut and his ear lobes have a curve in them, Ben's doesn't.

by GreenGoddess Fri Nov 20, 2015 8:11 am

mtnlvr55 wrote:^^Who is the person with his back to the picture carrying a bookbag? Is that crew or is that Ben?
(not the hairy one: I know that's Elan.. )

IMO that isn't Ben. I think it must be one of the crew.

by Diana Fri Nov 20, 2015 8:32 am

@RealitySteve: No "Daily Links" today. Column returns Monday. Probably going to be your episode-by-episode spoilers.

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