Becca Tilly - Bachelor 20 - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

AllAboutLove wrote:All I know is the story keeps changing:
- Becca would 100% not go on the show, but did.
- Ben didn't communicate with Becca pre-show but now stated they did.
- Ben didn't want Becca on show but she went on show and knew this (makes no sense, even with a storyboard for her to do something else).

What doesn't change is this:
- Sleuthing showed Becca was going on the show, she did
- Sleuthing showing Becca was still on show, she is
- Sleuthing indicating Becca had 1on1 and wedding date, she did

None of this means Becca will be F1, but it clearly shows a pattern of consistency/correctness for the sleuthing.
Also, the sleuthing so far is the only thing that can be proven and with supporting evidence.

Thanks for your summary, but do you know who said that and when? I know RS had said something along the lines "I don't know if they've been talking, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were" and I don't remember RJ saying anything confirming or denying that.

I don't really consider the third point to be changing, because RJ and RS have both been pretty consistent since that first week in filming that they had very solid information from a solid source that suggested that Becca would not be going far. We never got the details why (RJ specifically said she couldn't say, because it would out the source) until now, but I don't consider that a change.

I also don't really know if were able to "sleuth" that she got the wedding date...we had only guessed that it was probably Becca because RS tweeted it out and we knew that Olivia was already at the group date. That only left Breanne and Becca, given that RS didn't hype he was releasing a new girl, so I don't really know if we get much credit on using common sense. As far as I know, no one knew that it was a wedding date until RS said it.

Anyways, JMOAA!

I only know Becca from TV, Twitter and Periscope but I agree, she doesn't seem the type to go on the show if Ben had point blank told her he wasn't interested. That and the Jared thing just isn't adding up to me. I keep seeing red flags with the recent scenario presented.

I can believe Ben insinuated he didn't want her there without outright saying "don't come". Subtly suggesting it's not a good idea to show up and outright telling her not to are completely different things.

BlackHalo wrote:I can believe Ben insinuated he didn't want her there without outright saying "don't come". Subtly suggesting it's not a good idea to show up and outright telling her not to are completely different things.

If he even hinted at not wanting her there, she wouldn't have done it. Becca is a person of integrity and has some pride. She would not do that to herself nor would she want to put Ben in an uncomfortable position.

1fortheMoney33 wrote:

KatCAli90 wrote:

1fortheMoney33 wrote:Becca would 100% not go on if Ben had said "don't come." If someone doesn't want her, she doesn't want them. Same reason as why she didn't want any to do with Chris Soules after he and Whitney broke up. He had the chance to be with her, he said no, and that was that. She wouldn't go after someone if they had rejected her, not her style.

How do you know that? RJ who is her friend, said it is true...

Because I am her friend and know she would never do that had he point blank told her don't come on

I believe RJ and RS.. I just think it's a pretty far fetched thing to make up, and neither would get anything out of making it up. Just my opinion. He may not have said "do not come" exactly. Also, it was like a week and a half before filming started that he told her it wasn't a good idea, she was prob all set to go at that point and nothing was going to stop her. She prob thought she could change her mind.

Maybe Ben didn't say it as clear-cut as he could have and she read what he was saying wrong? Or maybe Becca was just blinded by how much she liked him? Maybe K/S encouraged her to screw it and go anyway? Maybe the producers whispered in her ear? Who really knows. I don't think it makes Becca a bad person just because she didn't necessarily listen to Ben. Plus, her storyline will probably be that she learns the hard way. I'm sure the producers would love to get Becca to fall under the bachelor-bubble love spell only to have her heart broken -- especially since she was the one who resisted it with Chris.

Anyway, I find it believable that Ben would say to Becca/Tenley that he didn't want returnees in general. Makes sense why Tenley was moping at least.

1fortheMoney33 wrote:

BlackHalo wrote:I can believe Ben insinuated he didn't want her there without outright saying "don't come". Subtly suggesting it's not a good idea to show up and outright telling her not to are completely different things.

If he even hinted at not wanting her there, she wouldn't have done it. Becca is a person of integrity and has some pride. She would not do that to herself nor would she want to put Ben in an uncomfortable position.

Everyone can believe what they want to believe, but unless she told you that herself, she may have acted in a way different than you think.

IMO I don't think Becca would be telling anyone that Ben didn't want her to come on (if it happened).

I see Ben somewhat like Jared.  A nice guy.  Maybe too nice when trying to let someone know they are not interested.  Just like Jared was wishy washy with Ashely yes/no perhaps Ben was vague or wishy washy with Becca.  Guaranteed TPTB would have wanted her even more if Ben told her not to come on.  They would have filled her with hope and optimism.  Becca is seemingly very naive or sheltered in the love arena. I felt like she was confused and upset that she could not feel what CS wanted her to last season.  Her own family said she was very shut down on her feelings (of love) on the hometown.  I would guess that the encouragement of Kaitlyn, Shawn and TPTB carried a lot of weight with Becca on her decision to return.  
When Becca came on here before the season she said she was more obnoxious than edited. (her words)  I think that she will try to be more outgoing, loud and funny this season.  Sadly, my guess is that if Ben is not feeling it with Becca, the wedding date will be made to make her seem like a desperate, pushy gal in someway.  TPTB love to spin an edit.  It is highly unlikely we will see the same Becca this season that we saw last.  TPTB thrive on drama...    JMO

Regarding info given by various sources and sleuthing, I love it all.  I feel like we all need to be detectives and use our discernment when sifting through the information we hear and find.  Take it all in and weigh the options as we formulate the puzzle before us.  Fun times!    JMO again.....

Julz91 wrote:IMO I don't think Becca would be telling anyone that Ben didn't want her to come on (if it happened).

There were two people in that conversation...Ben could have easily told people. In fact, I can bet that he told producers. Not to mention, I can see Becca confiding in her close friends and asking for their advice about what to do.

I think people underestimate how crazy people can act when they are in "lust". Clare kept on fighting for JP even after that infamous "I love f-ing you" comment. Nick kept on fighting for Kaitlyn after she sat there stone-faced and told him not tell anyone about their sexing. And, so forth. So, I can totally believe Becca was willing to fight for the guy after he was like "you know, coming back to the show is really tough...I couldn't imagine asking anyone to do that for me". Which is probably along the lines of what he said, not "STAY AWAY".

(jmo)

chasingpavements wrote:

Julz91 wrote:IMO I don't think Becca would be telling anyone that Ben didn't want her to come on (if it happened).

There were two people in that conversation...Ben could have easily told people. In fact, I can bet that he told producers. Not to mention, I can see Becca confiding in her close friends and asking for their advice about what to do.

I think people underestimate how crazy people can act when they are in "lust". Clare kept on fighting for JP even after that infamous "I love f-ing you" comment. Nick kept on fighting for Kaitlyn after she sat there stone-faced and told him not tell anyone about their sexing. And, so forth. So, I can totally believe Becca was willing to fight for the guy after he was like "you know, coming back to the show is really tough...I couldn't imagine asking anyone to do that for me". Which is probably along the lines of what he said, not "STAY AWAY".

(jmo)

I was more so saying if those close to Becca don't believe Ben ever said not to come on, it may be because she wouldn't go around telling everyone. Maybe her sisters or a best best friend, but it's not something I'd go around telling all my friends. Of course Ben may have easily told people (hence why RS/RJ had heard about said conversation).

Re-reading RS' column, I think it's VERY possible (and likely) that Ben didn't emphasize his point to the degree that he claims he did. RS comes off as if Ben was laying down the hammer.

And for the record, the e-mails I got never gave me the vibe that Ben went to great lengths to drill it in Becca's head to "stay away," "scram," etc. Not even close.

I want Becca to be happy. This might come off as really stupid/emotional, but she means so, so much to me and I (as well as many others) don't want to see her get hurt. Having her get hurt, idk how I would react. She is just such a good, genuine person. She gives far more than she receives and she's someone that you can always count on to be there for you when the times get hard. Sorry for the emotional rant.