Becca Tilly - Bachelor 20 - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

That's actually exactly my point. If she is eliminated early on, she could've saved herself the public embarrassment and not have let this play out on national TV. With that said, I do like Becca and I do get how she may have felt this was her shot with him

I don't know (none of us do) how Ben feels about a contestant going on this show a second time, but even if he has a negative opinion of the idea, IF sparks flew when he met Becca, I doubt it would have mattered.  Not saying that they did, but, either the chemistry is there or it isn't regardless of preconceived notions.  I suspect Ben is open minded enough to give each woman a fair shot if she intrigues him in any way before deciding to write someone off.  And as has already been speculated, it is doubtful that the producers wouldn't keep Becca around for at least a couple of rounds regardless of Ben's feelings, as a ratings ploy, since he no doubt will have lots of MOT girls to get rid of in the beginning anyway.  So he'll have time to get to know her if he has any interest at all.

I don't think it has anything to do with Ben thinking she may be fame he hungry. I think most people in this position would be more interested in new people. I think a part of the excitement is "falling in love" with someone you wouldn't have had the chance to otherwise. Ben and Becca could have done that without him being the bachelor. She had the means to contact him just like Tenley did. But who knows, they meet and sparks may fly.

I don't doubt that Becca has a crush on Ben, I just think her going on is more about the other things it will bring her way. The longer she stays on the better it is for her. The only way she has much to lose is if she gets eliminated early. JMO.

Rolly wrote:I don't doubt that Becca has a crush on Ben, I just think her going on is more about the other things it will bring her way. The longer she stays on the better it is for her. The only way she has much to lose is if she gets eliminated early. JMO.

I don't necessarily have an issue with contestants coming back if they really are into the lead...whether or not they could have/did contact them on social media before hand...as long as they accept what could happen when they arrive. That includes being dumped first night, having other contestants giving them the third degree, being dragged along for storyline purposes and just a general bad edit. What I don't like is when they go in more for the purpose of furthering their 15 minutes...which is the vibe I get from Becca since she had already made plans to meet with Jared and then dumped him ASAP as soon as she was called up for Ben. If she had been so into Ben, she would not have attempted to meet up with Jared. I also don't care for her coming on here basically trying to guilt us into not criticising her behaviour post show when she clearly already knew that she was headed back and would be getting more flack. Sorry. You may be as sweet as pie, but that does not let you of the hook for trying to manipulate me. I would rather that spot went to some new girl...looking for her 15 minutes. Next time...BIP. If she is serious, that seems to have a greater degree of success, although I suspect, she may think that is too trashy and beneath her.

Wearing my rose colored glasses, I have difficulty dismissing Becca as a viable match for Ben. No one knows their chemistry before they have even met, imo. Even if Ben said he wasn't interested in Becca prior to filming, he could change his mind after interacting with her. On paper it seems like a possibility. Again, mo.

But then I keep reading RJ's posts that it's never going to happen...so what's up? Could it be that regardless of how Ben or Becca could feel, TPTB will never allow it to happen? Could it be scripted to make sure their storyboard isn't leading to romance, but only heartbreak for Becca?

If I use UnREAL's tactics as my basis, I could see TPTB constantly whispering doubts into Ben's ears -- "she's only here for fame, she wants to be a model, she's trying to be the next Bachelorette." What if it's guaranteed that Becca won't get any 1-1 dates with Ben by TPTB's decisions? What if she's only put on dates that are sexual in nature to make her more and more uncomfortable? (I recall her shocked face after Carly reported on her love guru date with Chris.) With TPTB's seeming fixation on sex based on last season (honestly, based on all seasons), I could see them laughing with glee at the possibilities of humiliating the virgin.

This is the only way RJ's reports are making sense to me. TPTB are in control and have plotted to never allow a romance to take place. Thus, even though Becca's motives for going on the show are legit according to RJ, Becca is unaware of TPTB's plan for her. It also explains RJ's trepidation regarding Becca's appearance...imo. Becca is like a lamb going to slaughter, completely unaware.

All of this is my speculation, just trying to mesh what I see as a possibility between Ben & Becca vs. the declaration that it's never going to happen.

Litta, did you buy another pair or did you have another pair hidden somewhere... because I distinctly remember smashing a pair for you.  Put them away...don't get sucked in!  

I don't dislike her, but I don't like her as much as I did last season.  I freely admit some of her SM behavior along with other actions and attitudes (with and without Kait involved) has made me think less of her.  That said, I do hope she finds her special someone some day.  I can see why she'd like and want to give it a try with Ben.  However, being that Ben and Shawn are close and Kait and Becca are, I have no doubt she could have gotten in touch with him that way and tried to explore if anything was there.  If he'd been interested, he could've turned down/walked away from being lead.  If they have chemistry on the show, so be it.  I'll wish them well and hope they give it a real shot to work in the real work, if she ends up F1.  That doesn't mean I won't question her motives.  Canceling the meet up with Jared, her post here (assuming it really was her), all the immature SM behavior, shilling products, etc., all make me think that while meeting Ben might supposedly be her #1 reason for going on...the continued publicity and time in the spot light to gain attention, followers and more opportunities to make money, meet new/more famous people to rub shoulders with etc., can't hurt or be far behind Ben on the priority list.  But that's JMO.

Ladybug82 wrote:Litta, did you buy another pair or did you have another pair hidden somewhere... because I distinctly remember smashing a pair for you.  Put them away...don't get sucked in!  

I don't dislike her, but I don't like her as much as I did last season.  I freely admit some of her SM behavior along with other actions and attitudes (with and without Kait involved) has made me think less of her.  That said, I do hope she finds her special someone some day.  I can see why she'd like and want to give it a try with Ben.  However, being that Ben and Shawn are close and Kait and Becca are, I have no doubt she could have gotten in touch with him that way and tried to explore if anything was there.  If he'd been interested, he could've turned down/walked away from being lead.  If they have chemistry on the show, so be it.  I'll wish them well and hope they give it a real shot to work in the real work, if she ends up F1.  That doesn't mean I won't question her motives.  Canceling the meet up with Jared, her post here (assuming it really was her), all the immature SM behavior, shilling products, etc., all make me think that while meeting Ben might supposedly be her #1 reason for going on...the continued publicity and time in the spot light to gain attention, followers and more opportunities to make money, meet new/more famous people to rub shoulders with etc., can't hurt or be far behind Ben on the priority list.  But that's JMO.

Looks like I missed it, what was her apparent post here?

Um, LB, that was supposed to read hypothetical *cough*...wearing my hypothetical rose colored glasses. Yep, they're still broken...thanks.

My problem is I'd like to believe the best about Becca, but certainly understand how/why many don't. I'm certainly not as impressed with her as I was during farmer's season. I watched one or two of her periscopes which were just drivel. Why she wishes to promote herself that way is beyond me. I want her to be better than that...but it's her life/her choice.

I know a lot of people are saying that if Becca really liked Ben, she should've contacted him before the show. However, she is great friends with Kaitlyn and probably already knew that he was the front-runner to be the Bachelor. She probably wanted to avoid the backlash of the girls saying that it's unfair because they were in contact before the show. I normally don't like the idea of former contestants returning to the show, but I'm really excited to see how Becca and Ben's relationship will pan out.

I keep my rose colored glasses tucked away when watching or reading about this silly show! I'm happy to pop them on when an unlikely love story develops such as the ones with Des & Chris, Jash, Marcus & Lacey and now cuties Tanner & Jade. But Becca & Ben? Meh...

I enjoy a good spoiler or foiler as much as the next viewer, but the real fun for me is actual sleuthing. And watching the show with my friends while sharing an adult beverage or two. 

We were virtually assured that Becca wasn't going on the show up until the day before she did, so I'll just wait and see. Becca knows quite well what TPTB can do with her edit - this isn't her first rodeo. She played the game just fine while filming the first show and on SM while the show was airing. I expect the same this go 'round. You're truly kind Litta123. I'm perfectly ok with Becca showing her true self on SM. 

breannalauren wrote:Looks like I missed it, what was her apparent post here?

It's on page 79 of her general discussion 8 thread, last post on the page:  Click here

Litta123 wrote:Um, LB, that was supposed to read hypothetical *cough*...wearing my hypothetical rose colored glasses. Yep, they're still broken...thanks.

My problem is I'd like to believe the best about Becca, but certainly understand how/why many don't. I'm certainly not as impressed with her as I was during farmer's season. I watched one or two of her periscopes which were just drivel. Why she wishes to promote herself that way is beyond me. I want her to be better than that...but it's her life/her choice.

Hypothetical... yea, right!  

I too would like to believe the best about her, but when it comes to this show... I've learned the hard way.  I refuse to get invested in any of these people anymore.  I never thought Becca was boring and realized she had more personalities, was more outgoing, etc. than her edit showed, but she came off so much more mature on the show and SM during airing than recently.  Maybe part of it was that I've grown less and less interested in Kaitlyn and her drama so the influence, attitude, actions and friendship made me question if my instincts about Becca had been off.  And sadly, I think they were to an extent.  

I'm hoping that the second go round will help her mature and settle some.  Maybe the edit, her actions and attitude during the show airing after will show more of the Becca I saw and liked last season.  She willingly walked back into the fire to dance with the devil (MF, TPTB, CH, etc.), so if she gets burned this time around, so not sure how sympathic I'll be.  If you see me trying to piece those smashed lenses together or trying to find a new pair, tell me NO!