The Bachelorette 11 - Kaitlyn Bristowe - FRC - ATFR- July 27th - Thread#3 - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

Di_ATL wrote:

chasingpavements wrote:Yeah...I don't blame her for that. But, she didn't need to tell him she loved him over and over again (which she admitted). That's not something a lead typically does (how much flack did Chris get just for saying I'm falling in love with you to three girls), and she had to know that it was not an appropriate thing to say to someone you're going to dump.

I am just not understanding why Kaitlyn is catching flack for saying she loved Nick. I do believe she did love him or have love for him, "the difference" she was IN LOVE with Shawn. People say i love you in many faucets to friends, to family, to their boyfriend or girlfriend (which in a since he was briefly in the bach bubble)... But Nick being 34 truly could not be so nieve to think she wasnt possibly telling Shawn that too knowing he was still their and in the back of his mind their had to be an inkling of doubt, i mean this aint his first rodeo on the show and how it works.

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Kashathediva wrote:I just have to say it. Leslie looks like she was ridden hard and put away wet both physically and mentally.
Kudos to you, Mia. Enjoyed reading your posts--even the lengthy ones. :Nod:
I guess it's more impressive to have a future s-i-l that finds expressing himself in his mother tongue challenging and presently is unemployed.  Heck, Shawn would look good in a loin cloth and carrying a club--so if they ever do a Flintstone 2 Movie with his new nose he should be a shoe-in.  I can see him dragging Kaitlyn by the roots of her hair, all while she rolls her eyes and incessantly licks her teeth in anticipation of their next snatchchat.  Be proud Leslie, there is a future in Flintstones 2.

Nibbles22 wrote:

Kashathediva wrote:I just have to say it. Leslie looks like she was ridden hard and put away wet both physically and mentally.
Kudos to you, Mia. Enjoyed reading your posts--even the lengthy ones. :Nod:
I guess it's more impressive to have a future s-i-l that finds expressing himself in his mother tongue challenging and presently is unemployed.  Heck, Shawn would look good in a loin cloth and carrying a club--so if they ever do a Flintstone 2 Movie with his new nose he should be a shoe-in.  I can see him dragging Kaitlyn by the roots of her hair, all while she rolls her eyes and incessantly licks her teeth in anticipation of their next snatchchat.  Be proud Leslie, there is a future in Flintstones 2.

  I think I'm gonna frame this!!  Awesome!!

mindless wrote:

Di_ATL wrote:

chasingpavements wrote:Yeah...I don't blame her for that. But, she didn't need to tell him she loved him over and over again (which she admitted). That's not something a lead typically does (how much flack did Chris get just for saying I'm falling in love with you to three girls), and she had to know that it was not an appropriate thing to say to someone you're going to dump.

I am just not understanding why Kaitlyn is catching flack for saying she loved Nick. I do believe she did love him or have love for him, "the difference" she was IN LOVE with Shawn. People say i love you in many faucets to friends, to family, to their boyfriend or girlfriend (which in a since he was briefly in the bach bubble)... But Nick being 34 truly could not be so nieve to think she wasnt possibly telling Shawn that too knowing he was still their and in the back of his mind their had to be an inkling of doubt, i mean this aint his first rodeo on the show and how it works.

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Perhaps because the whole format of this show is that the lead is supposed to refrain from sharing her feelings before the FRC. That is precisely why last season Nick assumed Andi loved him, even though she didn't say so, and then at ATFR she threw it in his face that she never did and claimed she would've said so if she had. This time Kaitlyn does what Andi didn't and tells him ILY over and over and he's supposed to just assume that means nothing more than friendly love? Nick is not a friend or a family member, he's a guy who's planning to propose to her in a few days. You can't just throw the L word around like it means nothing in that scenario. And it sure didn't mean much if she was prepared to humiliate him like that. I'm so glad he called her out on it right there and then.

Lucas15 wrote:

bleuberry wrote:I hate to agree with RS, but... 
 

Could I understand his frustration when she was talking to him after stopping his proposal? Absolutely. Did I feel bad for the guy? Yes and no. Yes in the fact that no break up is ever fun. Ever. It just isn’t. And a break up on national television is that much worse. However, I say no because this is a show. He knew going in what this show is capable of and what could possibly happen to him. He just went through this a year ago. The second you sign on the dotted line (especially for a second time), you are at the mercy of the producers. You have no say in anything. They will tell the story they want to tell no matter how badly it might trample on somebody’s feelings or emotions. Nick was this season’s victim, plain and simple. Sure, he can ask Kaitlyn all he wants afterwards, “Well why didn’t you just spare me the embarrassment,” or “Why just not let me go early,” etc. I’m here to tell you it’s because that’s not a decision for her to make. Of course she rambled on and gave him some convoluted answer that he still probably doesn’t understand, but the real answer, the one that she couldn’t say, is “the producer’s made me.” Absolutely, 100% that speech by Nick and almost proposal was supposed to happen and Kaitlyn couldn’t do anything about it. I don’t think Kaitlyn is a mean, vindictive person, and yes, she obviously cared about Nick. So no one that cares about someone else would put them through that unless they were forced to. You are a pawn in their game. I guarantee she didn’t want to hear Nick make that speech and almost propose, but she had no choice. She just couldn’t tell him that on the ATFR.

Bleu thanks for posting this. I happen to agree completely with RS (as much as it pains me to do so) and I've posted this many times - as recently as (I think) earlier today - Kaitlyn let Nick go so far as to say what he said for one reason and one reason only - the producers made her and that's the one thing she couldn't say to Nick even though it's the truth. This is exactly what they did to Ashley (well they also lied to her) to get her to let Ben propose. We can say she had a choice but IMO the reality is she didn't have any choice. I should come as no surprise that there's a phrase in the contract like "I agree to follow all of Producer's rules, directions and instructions in all matters (including Participant selection and decisions regarding the creation and implementation of terms, conditions and rules governing the Series)."

She had no choice.
JMHO

mindless wrote:

Perhaps because the whole format of this show is that the lead is supposed to refrain from sharing her feelings before the FRC. That is precisely why last season Nick assumed Andi loved him, even though she didn't say so, and then at ATFR she threw it in his face that she never did and claimed she would've said so if she had. This time Kaitlyn does what Andi didn't and tells him ILY over and over and he's supposed to just assume that means nothing more than friendly love? Nick is not a friend or a family member, he's a guy who's planning to propose to her in a few days. You can't just throw the L word around like it means nothing in that scenario. And it sure didn't mean much if she was prepared to humiliate him like that. I'm so glad he called her out on it right there and then.

Kashathediva wrote:I just have to say it. Leslie looks like she was ridden hard and put away wet both physically and mentally.
Kudos to you, Mia. Enjoyed reading your posts--even the lengthy ones. :Nod:
I guess it's more impressive to have a future s-i-l that finds expressing himself in his mother tongue challenging and presently is unemployed.  Heck, Shawn would look good in a loin cloth and carrying a club--so if they ever do a Flintstone 2 Movie with his new nose he should be a shoe-in.  I can see him dragging Kaitlyn by the roots of her hair, all while she rolls her eyes and incessantly licks her teeth in anticipation of their next snatchchat.  Be proud Leslie, there is a future in Flintstones 2.

sdmom wrote:

Lucas15 wrote:

bleuberry wrote:I hate to agree with RS, but... 
 

Bleu thanks for posting this. I happen to agree completely with RS (as much as it pains me to do so) and I've posted this many times - as recently as (I think) earlier today - Kaitlyn let Nick go so far as to say what he said for one reason and one reason only - the producers made her and that's the one thing she couldn't say to Nick even though it's the truth. This is exactly what they did to Ashley (well they also lied to her) to get her to let Ben propose. We can say she had a choice but IMO the reality is she didn't have any choice. I should come as no surprise that there's a phrase in the contract like "I agree to follow all of Producer's rules, directions and instructions in all matters (including Participant selection and decisions regarding the creation and implementation of terms, conditions and rules governing the Series)."

She had no choice.
JMHO

I don't think we will know for sure if she had no choice, but I agree with this article:

http://www.eonline.com/news/680794/could-nick-viall-become-the-next-bachelor-after-getting-brutally-dumped-again

Our sources also revealed that although Kaitlyn may have been encouraged by show producers to prolonge the breakup with Nick to make it better TV, the decision, ultimately was hers. "At the end of the day, no one has a gun to their heads," says a Bachelorette insider. "Whether or not producers suggested it doesn't really matter. All they can do is make the suggestion. Everyone is free to do whatever they want and she could have stopped him at any time. Nick lost some respect for her because of it."