The Bachelorette 11 - Kaitlyn Bristowe - FRC - ATFR- July 27th *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

sdmom wrote:I don't understand, but correct me if I am wiring, didn't K put on that top so he could touch her? Didn't she invite him to stay? Who seduced whom? At least, I think both were equally seductive.

timfan wrote:I do not feel sorry for nick he chose to go on the show and he became overconfident again that he was going to win the girl this time and put his family through it again and I wonder how he is going to embarrass Kaitlyn like he did andi but he will make it seem like oops I did not mean to say it or hurt Kaitlyn jmo

ElonM wrote:

sdmom wrote:I don't understand, but correct me if I am wiring, didn't K put on that top so he could touch her? Didn't she invite him to stay? Who seduced whom? At least, I think both were equally seductive.

Nick seduced her. :con1:  He told her what to wear to get more access and he then invited himself to her room.

On all the occasions they had sex, he was the one deciding when, where and how.

He's is to be blamed.  K had nothing to do with it.

I now understand. Nick you  

chasingpavements wrote:

relaxing wrote:I'm having a hard time figuring Nick out after 2 seasons where basically the same thing happens with, IMO, polar opposite women.  He seduces them, they feel some unexplainable adult passion they've never felt before, he makes them feel like a desired woman, they don't want to pursue a relationship with him.    

I hope Nick learns that seducing someone into bed is not the same as seducing them into love.  I don't know if he really is just a player spouting lines and actions he knows work and being as touchy feely as possible to get some action.  Or if he genuinely thinks physical seduction and sex is the way into a woman's heart?

If it's the latter and he actually wants to find someone to settle down with, which I think is probably true, I hope this repeat situation teaches him to slow the physical things down, build on the friendship and realize that turning someone on is a tiny piece of a very big puzzle of falling in love.  I feel bad for the guy definitely and don't think Kaitlyn or the show were fair or kind to him.  It will be so sad to see him rejected.

I don't know - I don't feel like he's "seducing" them, which seems very 1-sided to me. I remember making Andi making a lot of the first moves and Kaitlyn DEFINITELY made some of the first moves. I don't feel like he emphasizes the physical part of a relationship any more than past contestants have done. In fact, when talking about how much he likes Kaitlyn, he usually brings up the fact that she makes him laugh and brings out his goofy side. Just because he got the lust edit, doesn't mean that he only emphasizes the physical aspect of a relationship.

Also, I'm pretty sure that Nick has had a lot of casual sex in his life (from what I've heard) so I don't think that he finds sex to be the way to a woman's heart since he is capable of having sex without feelings. I think that his passion and intensity is just part of the reason that Andi and Kaitlyn were drawn to him, although he's not the best looking guy in the room or their usual type. It doesn't meant that was the ONLY appeal, though.

bleuberry wrote:I highly doubt Kaitlyn encouraged Nick to propose. Does the guy get to take responsibility for anything he does?  K asked him to come on, after K initiated SM flirtation, then K initiated sex, K continued to lead him on, and now K convinced him to propose? 

I happen to believe she wanted to let him go at f3.

isittrue wrote:

bleuberry wrote:I highly doubt Kaitlyn encouraged Nick to propose. Does the guy get to take responsibility for anything he does? 

I happen to believe she wanted to let him go at f3.

I think US does say that she does cut him off during part of his proposal.  I think she probably wasn't sure what to do at that point, she probably froze while he was going down on his knee.   I think she probably wanted to let him go earlier too - just to make it easier on everyone but TPTB pushed the Shawn/Nick drama.  jmho.

Nibbles22 wrote:^^^ This is just laughable imo.  That's all Kaitlyn has done, is encourage, and lead Nick on.  We've all seen that private gesture she made to him on the JK show, and apparently she did ask him to show up.  When he does show up, she's a giddy, horned up school girl, and pretty much forgets what's his name.  Not to mention prior to him showing up she had already told Shawn he's the one.  That's certainly not the message she was sending to Nick!!  She had sex with him the first opportunity she got, and it didn't end there!

Hotmomma wrote:I have said this for seasons now..
Why do they always have the F1/F2 speak (propose) BEFORE the lead tells them they are the one!( I know TPTB probably tells them to do so)
If I were the person I would walk up and not say anything until the lead spoke first!...But especially the men should wait to propose UNTIL they know! JMO