The Bachelorette 11 - Kaitlyn Bristowe - #8 - Media - Tweets - IG - *Sleuthing - Spoilers* - Discussion

IrishGal wrote:Why in the world would it make you disrespect her?  She has a right to her feelings even if they don't agree with yours or the rest of the Nick Chicks. She has a right to change her mind and feel whatever she feels whether that is regret, confusion or just a who cares attitude.  She hasn't denied they had sex. I could understand disrespecting her for lying about it but as far as I can tell she hasn't. So what?

Because I don't respect the rewrite history game. JMO. You can love her and how she is acting, that is okay too.

stuckinsc wrote:

bleuberry wrote:We want her to be honest, but if she says what she had with Nick was bubble/lust then she's lying and only trying to please Shawn? More like we want her to validate what we see and believe, her true feelings be d@mned.

happydays wrote:

AllAboutLove wrote:Kailtyn's present day feelings may cloud her view on Nick but it is interesting that they don't cloud her view on the other guys whom she has chosen to blog about and not skim over. If anything, that indicates she felt nothing for the other guys and can speak freely but not so much with Nick.

TWT as it always does whether Nick really is a distant memory or not. Everyone wants the happy fairytale ending to be real and true and last forever but this is The Bachelorette. I personally have to take the rose colored glasses off when it comes to looking at things post-bubble. jmoaa

I honestly don't think she feels that much for the other guys, and that her relationship with Nick was just lustful if we are to believe her post-episode comments. If all she has to say about Nick is that he is charming and a flirt, I think she has moved on...
Imo, a bit disrespectful to Nick, but I don't think it'll be a thorn in S & K's relationship -- there are so many other things she could have said about Nick that wouldn't have offended Shawn imo, but she chose not to. Imo, her approach to speaking about N sort of tells me more about her than the nature of her current relationship

I was going to reply to bleu but happy days did it better than I can. Kaitlyn's need to minimize that she was excited for Nick to come on the show, that she asked him to her room and then her bedroom, then kept him around multiple times and probably says as much about her as it does Shawn. It is her truth, but it does make me disrespect her as much as I disrespected Andi.

it makes me disrespect(dislike is better) her too. the only thing that made her stand out to me was her honesty, the way she's brushing off her connection with Nick was so Andi.

missfafa wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:

bleuberry wrote:We want her to be honest, but if she says what she had with Nick was bubble/lust then she's lying and only trying to please Shawn? More like we want her to validate what we see and believe, her true feelings be d@mned.

happydays wrote:

I honestly don't think she feels that much for the other guys, and that her relationship with Nick was just lustful if we are to believe her post-episode comments. If all she has to say about Nick is that he is charming and a flirt, I think she has moved on...
Imo, a bit disrespectful to Nick, but I don't think it'll be a thorn in S & K's relationship -- there are so many other things she could have said about Nick that wouldn't have offended Shawn imo, but she chose not to. Imo, her approach to speaking about N sort of tells me more about her than the nature of her current relationship

I was going to reply to bleu but happy days did it better than I can. Kaitlyn's need to minimize that she was excited for Nick to come on the show, that she asked him to her room and then her bedroom, then kept him around multiple times and probably says as much about her as it does Shawn. It is her truth, but it does make me disrespect her as much as I disrespected Andi.

it makes me disrespect(dislike is better) her too. the only thing that made her stand out to me was her honesty, the way she's brushing off her connection with Nick was so Andi.

I've only found Kaitlyn to be quite upfront about what happened with Nick and have't seen any negativity towards Nick. She easily could say she does regret the sex, she was really drunk, she was confused due to the bubble etc, many excuses to belittle what happened. She is not doing that. She is repeatedly stating today that she had sex with him because she wanted to, she followed her feelings and acted as she usually would when dating a guy she's really into. Basically she is saying sex is part of her dating life and figuring out who was best for her.

I see no rewriting or disrespect happening.

missfafa wrote:and then she keeps him till the final to propose and then dump him and totally brush him off like she never shared anything with him ?! this is why i disliked Andi last season and she seems to go on her footsteps one after the other.

One common thread between Andi and Kaitlyn is Nick. I'm surprised no one has ever tried to explore what there might be about Nick that makes two different women from two different seasons and up feeling the same way about him ...

IrishGal wrote:That's how women think, not men. JMO. She's in love with Shawn and he doesn't need to hear the gory details of how she got there.
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Thanks you IrishGal for being able to understand this from the other side of the Mars / Venus dichotomy (which not many people can do - I constantly question my wife to help me understand how Venus sees things because I constantly see views expressed here that I don't understand). You're exactly right - guys don't think that way.

bleuberry wrote:We want her to be honest, but if she says what she had with Nick was bubble/lust then she's lying and only trying to please Shawn? More like we want her to validate what we see and believe, her true feelings be d@mned.

A very succinct post and great insight; we may not be looking for honesty at all - we want her to say what we want to hear and if she doesn't we blame her for not feeling the way we want her to feel. She feels the way she feels - it's as simple as that.

IrishGal wrote:Why in the world would it make you disrespect her?  She has a right to her feelings even if they don't agree with yours or the rest of the Nick Chicks. She has a right to change her mind and feel whatever she feels whether that is regret, confusion or just a who cares attitude.  She hasn't denied they had sex. I could understand disrespecting her for lying about it but as far as I can tell she hasn't. So what?

See above because this is really on the same point. Nick wanted to come on the show to see if he and Kaitlyn could have a relationship that he says he wanted. She gave him that chance - in ways that many women would not have given him. It didn't work out for her.

bluwavz wrote:

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shawn puts out an ultimatum.... I get why he can be so insecure but if he really loved her should he be wanting to "possess" her in this way??? I dunno maybe i see possessiveness as a red flag and to others it is romantic...maybe K likes that he reallyyy wants her to be "his"

emusha wrote:

bluwavz wrote:

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shawn puts out an ultimatum.... I get why he can be so insecure but if he really loved her should he be wanting to "possess" her in this way??? I dunno maybe i see possessiveness as a red flag and to others it is romantic...maybe K likes that he reallyyy wants her to be "his"

I don't find him possessive in real life from how she's acting now (seems happy and carefree to me in her snaps and media), but I do think this format was the worst place in the world for them to meet. They should have met at a bar and he should have courted her the old fashioned way- buying her a drink, hooking up, and brunch at the local diner the next morning

I do think she likes that he's very, very into her though overall and very manly. She seems happy enough letting the man take the lead, wanting him to protect her from birds, so yeah, I can see being "Shawn's" as something she'd love, but not when he's being crazy like these few eps.

I just think it's a bit early to jump to the conclusion that Kaitlyn is Andi 2.0. If she acts cold and distant towards him in the finale and at ATFR then yes, I will dislike her, but currently I haven't seen anything too alarming. In the AOL interview, she was asked about the physical (that's how I interpreted it anyway), so she answered about the physical. Many of us women feel that our main sex organ is the brain and it's the stimulating conversation and deep emotional connection that gets us horizontal, but I don't think Kaitlyn is the kind of person to start talking about that when asked why they quickly jumped into bed with a guy. She's too much of a guy for that. I didn't see it as her reducing the whole relationship to lust or anything. She just answered the question and I wouldn't expect her to go off on a tangent about what a great deep guy Nick is. She's engaged to someone else and trying to move on. There's no need to massage Nick's ego just for the sake of it, or ours. I saw with my own eyes how into Nick she was during the filming and she doesn't need to explain it to me now, months later. I've yet to see her deny the whole thing, on the contrary she's said plenty of good things about Nick.

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just finally watched this WOW!!! K reallyyyy has a diff way she talked about him and her tone of voice and her face is sooo different from the beginning of the season when she was defending him and talked about him affectionately
But her response really sounds like it was tempered to be in a tune that plays down that relationship for shawn's sake ...there is a LOT of negative emotion on her face and based on her response about shawn right after i wonder how nick had/has a hugeeee influence in her relationship with shawn. curious to see how things progress in this season cos I really think shawn's calling the shots post-show more so NOW than before nick's parts in the season started airing AND based on the season preview he was maybe calling the shots during the filming

it really seems that shawn is still insecure cos K is being VERY obvious her responses about nick -- when she is usually open, honest and warm about the guys. it seems like when nick's name was mentioned she had a distaste in her mouth like that topic has become repulsive to her -- I wouldn't at all surprised if her relationship with nick was the topic of some big arguments between her and shawn post-show (and post her first interviews). she said a relationship gets stronger due to peaks and valleys when talking about shawn & her's relationship...I wonder how the conflicts are being resolved between her and shawn....twt

Also --- around the end of this interview she talks about how guilt was a BIG part of the experience for her cos she "sees herself as a loyal person" -- so I'd say YES -- shawn was calling the shots after the dublin dates and that's what changes everything next epi ...and it also partially answered my question about whether or not she really ended up fully exploring her relationships with the guys -- the answer IMHO is NO because she did not have the freedom and the acceptance to do so... and I think a huge part of that came from shawn...
she also said she'd say NO to being the bachelorette if she was asked again -- I think that's VERY telling.

^^ or could have nothing to do with Shawn "calling the shots" and simply be that some interaction between Kaitlyn and Nick turned her opinion of him.

relaxing wrote:^^ or could have nothing to do with Shawn "calling the shots" and simply be that some interaction between Kaitlyn and Nick turned her opinion of him.

Thank you, I don't know why we need blame Shawn when Nick already has a track record of this ish last year with a different girl.

relaxing wrote:^^ or could have nothing to do with Shawn "calling the shots" and simply be that some interaction between Kaitlyn and Nick turned her opinion of him.

based on her responses about the bachelorette experience and her being driven by GUILT as the biggest emotion during the filming of the season -- and the fact that shawn gave her an ultimatum and kept confronting her and also the fact that she was happy and totally fine & carefree in dublin after her date with nick but was THEN a complete mess once Shawn confronts her + she's now changing the way she's talking about nick compared tot he beginning of the season...
IMHO the facts are stacked up to looking like shawn was very much in control of a lot and likely still is...he was very insecure about her feelings towards him and that HAS to have had an impact on her esp if she felt so strongly about him... that response about juggling multiple relationships was very telling imho

stuckinsc wrote:

bleuberry wrote:We want her to be honest, but if she says what she had with Nick was bubble/lust then she's lying and only trying to please Shawn? More like we want her to validate what we see and believe, her true feelings be d@mned.

happydays wrote:

AllAboutLove wrote:Kailtyn's present day feelings may cloud her view on Nick but it is interesting that they don't cloud her view on the other guys whom she has chosen to blog about and not skim over. If anything, that indicates she felt nothing for the other guys and can speak freely but not so much with Nick.

TWT as it always does whether Nick really is a distant memory or not. Everyone wants the happy fairytale ending to be real and true and last forever but this is The Bachelorette. I personally have to take the rose colored glasses off when it comes to looking at things post-bubble. jmoaa

I honestly don't think she feels that much for the other guys, and that her relationship with Nick was just lustful if we are to believe her post-episode comments. If all she has to say about Nick is that he is charming and a flirt, I think she has moved on...
Imo, a bit disrespectful to Nick, but I don't think it'll be a thorn in S & K's relationship -- there are so many other things she could have said about Nick that wouldn't have offended Shawn imo, but she chose not to. Imo, her approach to speaking about N sort of tells me more about her than the nature of her current relationship

I was going to reply to bleu but happy days did it better than I can. Kaitlyn's need to minimize that she was excited for Nick to come on the show, that she asked him to her room and then her bedroom, then kept him around multiple times and probably says as much about her as it does Shawn. It is her truth, but it does make me disrespect her as much as I disrespected 

I actually don't think she feels much for the other guys. Is she minimizing them too? At this point Nick has been on the show for two episodes, the flowing compliments and the 'he's everything I could see in a husband' comments are surely coming. I don't see anything concerning, she hasn't even bashed him and we're already going in on her. I had an inkling that the tides would turn on her as soon as I realized who was f2 .

If she's glowing in interviews talking about Shawn and straight-facing it for Nick, well she can't hide that she's engaged and in love with one, and the other is an ex from the past. That has nothing to do with Shawn, I think we're stretching his influence here. Is she doing anything every lead before her hasn't? Is it protecting Shawn to say that she doesn't regret having sex with Nick over and over again? If Shawn was really calling the shots, she'd be calling him a gross little manipulative weasel. (Ok maybe not, that was me )

I feel like there's an interview I must've missed. Can someone quote where she minimizes Nick? I have yet to hear a negative word come out of her mouth about him. And I hope it isn't the one where she called him a flirt and said she gets why he's so divisive among fans.