Kaitlyn Bristowe - Shawn Booth - Bachelorette 11 - *Spoilers - Sleuthing* - Discussion

Where's the preview ?

And SWSNBN was crying, fighting, distrustful, skeptical with her F1 a LOT. I think the editing really helps shape our view of the contestants.

TopShelf wrote:In the preview, they show Shawn saying, "Get the F out of my room" or something similar.  Who do you think he is talking to?

Yeah, that will be interesting. I think the obvious guess is Nick, but I feel they would have showed it because everyone is probably waiting for the Nick v. Shawn showdown. Maybe Kaitlyn? I could see it being a producer or maybe one of the other guys, if he gets upset that he doesn't get a 1-on-1 and has to go on a group date with Nick.

TopShelf wrote:I agree, Shawn seems brooding and morose to me.  If they end up together, I hope they show the happy, fun loving, non-controlling Shawn that people seem to believe he is.  He doesn't have an attractive edit, in fact I watched the last episode looking for a smile from him and couldn't find one.  Nick and Kaitlyn smile all the time, like perma-grin.  I'm sure it is editing, but Shawn must not be happy about it now.  Hope it changes moving forward!

The f1 often gets a one dimensional edit and the lead often appears to have an easier relationship with the f2, TopShelf. Shawn seems to be someone who's having trouble with the format. Previous cast have often said that you can go in thinking you know what it will be like but it's nothing like the reality of being on the show plus I also don't think most go in thinking they'll really fall in love. I have no idea what he's like irl but I'd be willing to be they're not showing the fun side of their dates because it doesn't fit his edit.

SueSt wrote:And SWSNBN was crying, fighting, distrustful, skeptical with her F1 a LOT.  I think the editing really helps shape our view of the contestants.

I agree. Who is SWSNBN?

She who shall not be named. (Jen Scheft.)

Thank you, that is so funny! I didn't watch then. ;)

chasingpavements wrote:Interesting points. I actually disagree a bit because I think that Nick/Kaitlyn have already mastered the friendship/emotional intimacy aspect, far more than any couple who only spends time together during filming (which is like, what, 48 hours total?) can build. Remember, Kaitlyn herself wrote that she and Nick were the "closest two people can be without ever meeting" and that he was her "go-to person for advice". To me, that suggests that they already had that strong friendship and emotional intimacy.

If in fact Kaitlyn and Nick had already mastered communications then that would seem to me to make Nick the easier option - not the harder one.

I think that it's partly the reason that their sexual chemistry IS so strong, because it's not just based on physical attraction but an emotional connection.

That SHOULD have made him a shoe-in for F1. But IMO it didn't because I don't think he's F1. I also know the observation is going to differ depending on the observer but I didn't see Kaitlyn and Nick's sexual chemistry as all that strong; I saw very little intent from Kaitlyn.

I think that Shawn is more like the typical guy that Kaitlyn's dated (alpha male, athlete, etc), whereas Nick probably isn't someone that she would normally have dated (a little awkward and dorky, more intellectual, not physically built). I think that Kaitlyn must realized that, outside of the Bachelor bubble, she and Nick have fundamentally different personalities (funny, lives in the moment vs. analytical, always thinking ahead) that would have created problems.

I'm not sure, outside of the world of The Bachelor and The Bachelorette, what Kaitlyn's "type" is, but her attraction to Shawn is definitely an "alpha male" type of attraction; IMO Nick is not an alpha male by any stretch, but he tries to be one.

GuardianAngel wrote:If he takes the "I got the girl" attitude then all should be well.

Maybe Lucas or any other males, can shed some light on this. How would a guy feel listening to his girl talk about not regretting having sex with someone else, or discussing it openly when it involves someone else? Unless she's convinced him that is what she is forced to say, and really regrets the whole situation, maybe twice.

Not very well; he'd probably be pretty jealous. You have to consider though that jealousy is more an instinctive behavior than it is a learned one. It's the instinct that keeps an omega male away from a female so the alpha's genetic traits aren't diluted, and any behavior that fosters the survival of a species is favored by natural selection. In extremes jealousy can be very disruptive but when we see a guy on the show exhibit some jealousy it might bear remembering - it's an instinct and it's one of the characteristics that helped humans rise to be the dominant species on the planet.

We know how Shawn feels, he hates the other guy. Is that the other guys fault?

IMO it's complicated.

Short answer - probably it's not the other guys fault but many guys are going to blame the other guy anyway.

Long answer - it may not make logical sense but the feelings on this don't come from logical thought but rather instincts.

Explanation of long answer:

Men compete for women in a certain way that has evolved over many eons of natural selection. Looking at our ancestors we can see that alpha males dominate the family in a social species - earning that position by exhibiting a set of traits that best insure the survival of the species; non-alpha males (omega males) respect the dominance of the alpha. These are instincts that males have - in other words it's not anything we learned to do - it's something we are born with the knowledge to do - just as birds are born with instincts to fly.

If you put a bunch of guys together competing for one female, there's going to be a tendency for many of them to "stand down" once they understand who the alpha in the group is; for guys the alpha may end up being the guy who cares the most for the girl and the others will stand on the sidelines and see if the girl selects the guy, and they will not intervene. Someone who doesn't "respect" the alpha is going to be seen as someone who can't be trusted or is a "snake" and to a guy, that probably means one thing - a snake is someone who will go behind you back and hit on your girlfriend / fiancee / wife. Many guys don't want to have that reputation so they will go out of their way to respect the right of another guy to pursue a woman - even if they like that woman themselves.

On this season, Joshua and Tanner and Joe (and more -those are the names that came first to my mind) are in the omega role and they might have to date Kaitlyn but they would see and respect Shawn's "role" and not try very hard because they see Shawn is the guy who most visibly cares about Kaitlyn.

IMO a lot of guys would look at the "conflict" between Shawn and Nick and say it's Nick's fault because he should have learned the ropes before jumping in with both feet and starting to chase Kaitlyn when Shawn was the guy who really really liked her, and Nick was a snake for hitting on her.

If this sounds far-fetched, consider last year's BIP when Cody Statler joined. One of the first things he did after a misstep or two was try to figure out who was spoken for and who would be available to ask out without stepping on anybody else's toes. When he couldn't resolve that he gave his date card to Marcus to take Lacy out. IMO we'll see that again this season too - guys will be reluctant to ask a girl out until they can figure out if she's with another guy and if she is - will the other guy mind?

Marcus made a very ballsy move by giving a rose to Lacy but IMO there was a lot of producer manipulation involved in setting that up. Marcus got the girl but he did p**s the other guy off. If Marcus hadn't gotten Lacy and tried to do the same thing again with someone else's girl all the guys would have ended up hating him.

All the above is JMHO. But given from a guy's perspective.

chasingpavements wrote:

TopShelf wrote:In the preview, they show Shawn saying, "Get the F out of my room" or something similar.  Who do you think he is talking to?

Yeah, that will be interesting. I think the obvious guess is Nick, but I feel they would have showed it because everyone is probably waiting for the Nick v. Shawn showdown.  Maybe Kaitlyn? I could see it being a producer or maybe one of the other guys, if he gets upset that he doesn't get a 1-on-1 and has to go on a group date with Nick.  

I will wait and see, but if that happens, I will be screaming at my tv. Put your big boy panties on! Seriously, talk about entitled. Okay, calming down, since I have no idea if this is what happens.

stuckinsc wrote:

chasingpavements wrote:

TopShelf wrote:In the preview, they show Shawn saying, "Get the F out of my room" or something similar.  Who do you think he is talking to?

Yeah, that will be interesting. I think the obvious guess is Nick, but I feel they would have showed it because everyone is probably waiting for the Nick v. Shawn showdown.  Maybe Kaitlyn? I could see it being a producer or maybe one of the other guys, if he gets upset that he doesn't get a 1-on-1 and has to go on a group date with Nick.  

I will wait and see, but if that happens, I will be screaming at my tv.  Put your big boy panties on!  Seriously, talk about entitled.  Okay, calming down, since I have no idea if this is what happens.

That is exactly how I view Shawn after last weeks episode, "entitled."  His reaction to Jared getting the GDR was way over the top, and if that is a insight into Shawn in real life, then him and comical, light-hearted Kaitlyn will not last.

I still can't see Kaitlyn sleeping with Nick once, and quite possibly twice, something that he will let go so easily.  In real time, she is saying she doesn't regret the sex, just the timing.  That can not be sitting well with Shawn at all.

Well, hopefully after he is out of the bubble things can be put in perspective. If not and that is who he is, to me it's actually funny. I mean he went bonkers over not getting the GDR.